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The Kansas was flooded, but I've seen it higher and I would count rode up towards canary Creek was passable. Well, the next next side of times at 03:33, it's going to be about 2 ft higher. The current time, I didn't look at wind direction. So going from the Northeast specify going to blow stuff up. So we'll say mildly posted last night they had to close the sitting under the bridge up to vote to binge. Is that possibility? Sand all over. Slideshow. Slideshow from current state parks that active anyway. And they were out. I don't know, close that just minimal. That's a nice quick click on this here, but it shows that little narrow. Now hello listener on the bus. And that's what the term itself, powerful way to close out their right. Did I see this one? Use my headline? Should never seen it. So the orange one. Is she. She's a fishy regular character. What you're after. Remarked immediately. Hello. Wonderful. Great work. Alright, It's nine o'clock on a Monday morning. Thanks for showing up, folks. Want to start with a reminder. This coming October 12th on Wednesday is our picnic again. So we're going to be meeting over at the American Legion Hall, which is on American Legion lane right there, officer, that they have a nice pavilion. It's got a bunch of tables and chairs. It actually has a small raise stage for singers to perform upon. So you sign up for it just like he would sign up for a class. You go to the website, you look under special events and you'll see the picnic you can sign up for there, you can pay for it there. If you have any difficulty with that. Sally and Steve are here and be happy to help you with the process. But I think it's great that we're bringing it back again. So just encourage you to sign up. Shouldn't should be a fun event. So Wednesday, the 12th, we will cancel any classes that day. So there will not be I think there's only like one or two classes that are affected. So those will be canceled. And I think it's 11, 30 to two as I recall the time for it. So once again, being created, have a nice turnout for that. So I encourage you to sign up for classes including the ones that are on Zoom will be canceled? I believe so. I believe so. Yeah. What is it? Well, they're invited to come down. Right. Okay. So picnic questions before we go. All right. So week for the detection Club was organized in 1928. So we're not talking about, you know, about a quarter of a century following common Doyle. Doyle success as a mystery writer. Really kind of sparked a lot of folks in Britain to start climbing on that mystery riding wagon. So there were a lot of putting stuff out there, some good, some not so good mixture of things going on. And so a group of them got together and organize this and dinner club called the detection club. And basically Anthony Berkeley Cox, whose picture you see here was the original organizer and he founded it in 1930 is a formal club. The first president was GK Chesterton. Pretty well known mystery writer, were a bunch of stuff. If you haven't ever ready in this things, I do recommend you take a look at them. They say ours was president and 40s. Agatha Christie actually following her. And I'm not sure if this is accurate because this slide was made up a year ago. So Simon, Bret, may or may not still be the current president, but he was the president. I forgot my little clicker. On top of the box there. No mouse over there. Okay. So here is a picture of a pretty formal group. So they got together and put on their best clothes, their dinner club meeting. And I can't tell who that is at the head of the table there. So this was a picture from the mid 30s. So as part of this, they decided that they needed a set of rules Around the way mysteries were written. Mystery writers were doing things that confounded the reader that we're not. And so this is the oath that they would take. And so they sort of tried to take away some of the artifacts and some of the ways that they would solve crimes that, you know, like divine revelation just wasn't fair to the reader. This is the actual wording. Yes, go ahead to find jewelry shop, but that's probably a cousin that same. Then there were specific rules. These were the so-called Ten Commandments that were part of it. So the criminal needs to be mentioned early in the book. You can't wait until the last chapter and introduce the criminal into it. And you can't rely on supernatural things to be part of it. Obviously, there are books that do have supernatural as part of it. But here if you're writing a straightforward mystery novel, you're supposed to not use that. More than one secret room for passage. All right. Hi. I had a friend who lives down in Philadelphia and down in his basement workroom. A big shelving unit that he had put on wheels and hinged it. So there was a whole room hidden behind there. That was his kind of a secret passage and see that he had put together. You can't use a previously unknown poison. Has to be something that's already been demonstrated to be a poison. And we'll move on. Politically correct. But no China man must figure in the story. And this was basically, I'm trying to remember when sex Roemer was doing this stuff on shoe, probably about a little bit in this time period. But the child and in this case, so was relatively generic term for basically folks got to kind of fit popping up out of nowhere. That, that can't figure in the story. So no unaccountable intuitions. The detective does not allow to commit the crime. Or at least, you know, that the climate console, maybe they do something criminal in the process, but they're not the ones that are committing the crime. And they must not find clue that are not revealed to the reader. Now they find clues. They don't necessarily identify them as clues as they're finding them. So the things that happened, you think about the blueprints outside the window for broader actuated when they're thinking about that door. Lack of a puppy. And the generals lapel we belong to. So things that are mentioned but not necessarily defined as clues at the point in time they're happening. Stupid friend of the detective was not conceal thoughts. And his intelligence must be slightly, but very slightly below that of the average range. So not quite sure how they measure that. And twin brothers or other doubles cannot appear unless they've been previously introduced. So these were the ten commandments that the mystery writers who joined the detection clubs were supposed to adhere to. One of the things they did was they wrote actually two books. One of them called the floating Advil. And different members of the club would write a chapter and then pass it on to the next one who would write a chapter. And then who was GK Chesterton was left with sort of putting together a finale that tied it all together. So it's actually kind of amusing. Book, I have a copy of it. It's only on Kindle. I only have it on Cuba was probably available in paperback. Kind of a clever IVF. So Dame Agatha Christie, born 18, 90 and a pretty good life until 1976. She was born in Turkey, which is a little resort town over on the coast of England, down in Cornwall area. Pretty little town. She died in Wallingford. 76. Very prolific. 66 detective novels, 14 short stories. Two of our most famous protagonists, Hercules a row and Ms. Jane marble. And then there were none. Is the best selling mystery novel of all time. I forgot how many millions of copies sold. I think translated entirely about 40 different languages. Just a very interesting kind of a fun this group, you've never read it. In 2013, the murder of Roger acro in the book we're talking about in a minute here, was voted the best crime novel ever by 600 members of the Crime Writers Association. We're going to skip effects because the website is no longer there. Is indeed a video. So that's Agatha Christie, their later years. But to go ahead and if you click on that and start that. So showed a couple of pictures of her second husband there that her second husband was an archaeologist. One of the pictures that I showed them, an archaeological dig that he was working at. Silver books about mostly arrow but about like death on the Nile and other things came from her experiences in Egypt when they were working on in different archaeological digs. So at one point in time, she vanished. Half the country was looking for her. They thought it'd be foul play, been responsible, something was going on. But it was big news. Here's something in the daily news that is looking at potential disguises. So these pictures are published to help people potentially aggravate Christie if they see her, that she could maybe be disguise like this as part of it, will go back to that one for a minute. They found her car which had been abandoned, no signs of a struggle or anything like that. But they found that it turned out that her first husband was having an affair. And so she I don't know, I guess, maybe revenge or whatever, but she decides to take off and ends up staying at this resort hotel, signing with the last name of the same woman. He was having an affair. So she obviously was aware of it. It was postulated that maybe it was for revenge when they finally found her, or maybe it was a publicity stunt, something to Jakob book sales. So it was never really she never really came clean in terms of why she did it per se. But it was a big deal there in 1926. Excuse me. You said they found her. I mean, she That's hiding or something? Well, she was never really in hiding and she was checked into this hotel? Yeah. Living there under a different name? Yeah. I guess in the 1920s. She was not as recognizable figure as she was, you know, perhaps later in her life, where instead of a few hundred people recognizing or a few million people, I recognize her. So I think that's probably part of this, but she was not she was highly to the extent that she knew that newspapers were looking for and everything else, and she was not responding to any of that. But on the other hand, she was not so staying in her room, lines drawn or anything like that. She was living in this hotel at that point in time. I guess her husband was looking for her husband and half of England. Yeah. Because like I said, they found the missing car or car with nobody in it and started wondering what was going on. Was there some kind of foul play with that she didn't kidnap that she'd been hurt. So it was yeah, I don t know whether the police ever came back and said, Hey, you cost us thousands of dollars, no time or something like that. Just like this woman with this woman recently who sort of faked your own kidnapping and blamed these Hispanic women. And you have a cause all this kind of luck as, you know, she's being actually sued for the sum of the cost associated with it along with everything else. Oh, yes. I find it interesting how they were supposed to be, possible disguises. They were publishing. Did they have a technology? Did somebody draw the different hair and the different and so forth on what these look like. You're saying photograph this looks like a prob probably something like that because they didn't have technology like we do now. Or you can, they didn't have computer graphics. That's pretty, pretty darn good. And just sort of looking at that little montage that went through, by the way, you kind of saw her from going to a pretty young girl to an attractive woman, to a very dignified individual there towards the end of her life. So almost had been a while. Yeah. They did that. It looks like she had that mentality. So one of her most famous creations is hurt or kill poem is a Belgian detective. Had been on the Belgian police force, ended up becoming a private detective after time. He was. The mysterious different styles was the first book that introduced him. And that she's sort of get him in the tradition of Sherlock Holmes. That same kind of mentality. You talked about the living cells. How he sort of reason things out. She worked as a nurse and World War One and worked with a group that hadn't been much of a Belgian soldiers. That was presumably where the idea of making archeology and Belgium came from. So as description, always very neat, very well maintained his little wax mustache and everything. But she does have a very vivid descriptions. You can see that not a big guy by four, but always displays themselves was kind of a more imposing type figure. In the recent movies. You know, he's been played by Richard Branson. Obviously a bigger, more massive picture than five for. So, just like cotton oil got tired of Holmes, she got tired of insufferable. This was her creation. And her description and 1960s was he was a detestable, bombastic, tiresome, egocentric little group. Now. I was sort of a whose fault is that? She was tempted to kill him off on times, but she felt her obligation to the public to keep them going. So he does, you know, finally die of heart disease in the last case. So the murder of Roger Asteroid ship in a previous slide, considered one of the greatest mystery novels of all time. It has some unique characteristics to it. Both this mystery, the mystery we'll talk about next, that alone or club. Both kind of key around time of death. That's the clue, the hint, the mystery component of both of these. And at that point in time, you did not have good forensic pathologists to come and stick a thermometer into the liver and looking at providing dementia. What they looked at was sort of morbidity and rigidity. Those characteristics were some of the primary things that they used to estimate time of death. But those could give you hours and hours of differences. So so David suits and I believe that's his house, has historically been the individual for corral all of the television series and movies and stuff. And I think he provides a great physical image for what we expect from grow, as well as the mannerisms and everything else. He, he's really defines the role. So first published in 1926. Agatha Christie reveals at one point in time that King George the Fifth was at the time was the, Winsor had basically written or a letter giving her some ideas that gave her some of the thoughts for this particular one. And then there was another individual. So, so to folks kinda gave her some background idea is that, that made her think about this particular one. But this relatively early in her career, I mean, 1926 is certainly wealth well into the first half over a career. So it's not like she's become a world famous author at this point in time, although she is well known in England. So it takes place in this little fictional village Where Herc yield per row has retired. And he is going to perfect that just a little marrows, which are basically squash. So that's what, that's what he's looking at weeks he's going to get his own parallel squash or something. That's what he's focusing on, is raising those in his garden. But it's friends with a local landowner and ultimately his niece ask him to solve this murder mystery. So Roger acrolein, sculptor kings, abbots. And we have a narrator. Dr. James Sheppard is the area physician, is basically the positioned to largely the town, but certainly the well-to-do of the town. He serves as Roger Aykroyd's position. This is Farrar variety of other folks. So sister Caroline is maybe made it the town gossip is not. The best term, is certainly, she's a great accumulator. She seems to be a very good intelligence source for whatever's going on in good old habits. The Aykroyd's run backwards and winter we're lives in a nice way to state the state that he owns and his widowed sister-in-law. Lives there with them. This cecil Aykroyd and her daughter Flora. So those were some of the some of the folks that are there. And then his stepson is Ralph pattern. And the moment he appears to be engaged to marry flora, that would be sort of a consolidation of being assessed sun and marrying a daughter of a sister-in-law have more of a relevant air in terms of his father, stepfather. So here are the primary characters. Let me see if I can remember. Certainly we have Dr. James Sheppard, our narrator, his sister Caroline, per kilo probe. This is for our, she's not with us for very long. In a specific look. She is engaged to Roger acrolein. They are tending to get married, but she is being blackmailed. And she's written a note to Roger. Tell again all about this and revealing the name and the black mailer and send it by mail that post to Roger and then subsequently kills herself. So she obviously was upset about this. Felt that suicide was the best route out of this. I think in this era, you know, people probably looked at some relatively minor things as basically grounds were for suicide. Certainly within the British aristocracy. Then we have Roger asteroid protagonists who left, stays us, stays with us for a little while before he leaves the book. His step son, Ralph, his sister-in-law, Mrs. Cecil, at growing it, excuse me, and her daughter Flora. Jeffrey Raman, is a managed service bear. In the manner working for Mr. Aykroyd. Major blunt Is a hunter, I guess, retired military man who's now a big game hunters. I don't know how good a career that is. Anyway. And he's got a thing for flora. Even though she's engaged as someone else. He is a kind of after her. Elizabeth Russell is a housekeeper, middle aged housekeeper working there. Folks about their phones. John Parker is the I guess the secretary for Roger employed and it tends to personal, uh, born is another server there at the manner. We find out later that she actually is from a well-to-do family and his fallen upon hard times. She has gone in to tell roger about this, ends up being fired. So hi Roger about the fact that she actually has that she's misleading him about her her background. Oh, I thought she actually told them that she was married to grow. Well, yes. That was going to get to that. Yeah. Thanks. Remember fleeting? Yeah. The primary thing about that is the fact that they actually are married, which is kinda confound him because he's supposedly engage the flora. And because she's fired, she becomes one of the suspects for killing Roger Android partners, one of the suspects because he found the body. Parker is also a suspect because we find out that he's been blackmailing else over time. And then Charles Kent, kind of a more of a cameo appearances. The son of Elizabeth Russell. And he shows up. At one point there, and I think it's kind of a red herring into the pile as to other potential folks. Then there's a shift steward and we find out at one point in time that Dr. Shepard has treated this young American. And then he caught the train and gone to, I forget what port or gone down to report where he was going to rewarding a steamer to go out of town, and that shepherd had requested him to give him a call phone call that a certain time. And it's part of his overall alibi that he's tried to structure as part of this whole murder. So in terms of the plot, as it rolls along, this, Ferraro is commit suicide after mailing a note and naming or blackmail or that is part of that. Dr. Shepard gets a phone call and tells his sister that his butler as well, Roger act what? Acrolein murder. So that it actually the phone call supposedly has come from Parker. Excuse me, the secretary. Parker. Yeah. Yeah. So may I comment on line? You didn't have anything important. Someone said they missed discussion about the picnic. Could you provide details again? And somebody else said, the China men would. A woman was thoroughly spoofed with, spoofed and thoroughly modern millie. Okay. I didn't interrupt you for those. Thank you. I appreciate that. Do the picnic at the end there. The phone call, we ultimately find out from this shifts steward who placed the call to him, even though he was saying that Parker did call them. They go in and they find Aykroyd has been stabbed with the dagger from this collection. He collects all of these ancient weapons and things. And so then they start working on interviewing the people and the timetables and stuff like that. They are originally thinking that Roger pattern was the responsible individual. And flora at this point in time, not knowing that Roger is married to Ursula, silicates that they're engaged. She approaches and asked him to investigate it and hopefully clear Roger, from this. So yeah. Oh, wow. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. So as they're tracing the time. Thanks. That are talking to the folks who are presently the witnesses. Measure blot and Jeffrey Raman were outside in the garden. The window for Aykroyd's office was open and the here at ROI talking to somebody. So that places the time around 930 as acro is still being alive. Then flora claims that she encountered Roger at 09:45, again, extending the time that he appears to be alive. They also find footprints outside the garden window. And Ralph admits that he was on the estate and he had left footprints outside the study window, leaves the area. We find that Parker was blackmailing his previous employer. When Dr. Shepard left their state. This one stranger was walking in the gate as he was leaving, we buy enough, that was Charles Kent. And Ursula is angry at being dismissed. So these are some of the Folks at the moment who are the primary suspects in this murder. So row focuses on a handful of items that he thinks are kind of a critical clues as part of this. And so it looks at the telephone call to Dr. Shepard because Parker he said, I never call him Dr. Shepard. In the study. There is a chair position. So that is something that's there. And then he looks at the numbers of pairs of shoes that as part of it goes to the N-word, Ralph is staying until it looks at his shoes as part of it. Wondering if he's actually made those footprints himself or somebody else had used his shoes to create, again, another red herring as part of it. Now he has these other distractions that are going on. He finally gets flora to admit that she likes you did not actually see her. Uncle. 945 shows that Ralph and Ursula are married. And Charles Kent is Elizabeth son. And that was the reason he is there on the stage. He wasn't just some local Hood who is there. And so they've been going through all of this, was still patent, being sort of the chief suspect. He's been hidden away. And pero, typical for old-fashioned calls, all of the participants together to display his little gray cells and goes through this. And so he also brings in patent who has been scrolled away and an end. So slowly it goes through and kinda reveals each of these different roles, secretes that everybody has, eliminating suspects along the way. One of the things that we found out relatively early is that asteroid had been visited by this gentleman selling dictaphone. They don't make a big deal of it. But that's there. And ultimately, we discovered that his voice is there on the dictaphone. And that's what the major and Raymond heard when they were outside of the garden. Also that had been placed on the chair there and then that chair had been moved. So that's kind of part of what's been going on. So when the parker discovers the body, someone calls Dr. Shepard. He arrives and examining things, kind of reorganizes the furniture and get things set up to get the dictaphone out of the way. So it's not obviously there as part of it. And we do find that you had this patient who placed the phone call. So we discover that Dr. Shepard was the one who was blackmailing Mrs. Ferraro. He is a friend of Aykroyd, getting that letter and opening it. So he goes when he finds out about that and then kills asteroid. But then goes through this elaborate setup. Looks like, make it look like he was alive when he left. That he didn't die until at least an hour or two later. As part of this whole setup that it goes through. Once per row, goes through this and reveals it. He ultimately shepherd takes his own life once again and saying this is the best way to resolve this. Any comments? Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. I was reading that at the time when the book first came out, when this first came out, people were very unhappy with the fact that the narrator and then we have come to respect and admire. They come see the murder. May they resented that. There was the feeling about that. That's in some ways what makes this kind of a unique novel. And that perhaps the reason that it was voted the best of all time. It found that the black bag it was was it was a key. When he doesn't talk about that. He took he took it away. When he left. When he left him. And I said, well, there's something strange. Started taking things in the back of my mind. You know, what's, what's what's, what's going on. And I thought at the end, where he takes his own life, but after he finishes the story, yeah. Sure. Yeah. Understood everything else and then he wants to finish the story so that Yes, sir. So when you you've talked about evidenced earlier in this class, you can meet me in your class at two different types of evidence. And when I thought about this, I said, is all of this circumstantial evidence in a court of law, you can have certain different evidence, right? Right. But it wasn't like he ended up on the fingerprints. Of course there was no D and you didn't have an 0 blood and you didn't have that kind of stuff. You didn't have any of the suspects have this hard physical evidence, but you had all this timing and then, you know, rattle trap to Dr. in pneumo says, I'm gonna go to the police. I'm going to tell them how this work. So it was interesting thinking about it at the end that it was very circumstantial, but I guess circumstantial evidence does work. Well. Yeah. I mean, jury. Sure. I mean, you have to have motivation. You've got to have a presence and timing. So those are some of the things that you're looking at in terms of accusing someone. So in the absence of an eyewitness or something else. So those were some of the but things that are used to convict them. They bringing up the thing about the dictaphone. It, it never showed up again, right? And it had something but gizmo wanted to make it fancy alarm clock to make it right. And it doesn't show up in the gut after the fact, hub is almost thinking, oh, you know, Pablo is going to go into the shop and under the effect of oh, yeah, you know, and there's the alarm. Right. But that didn't happen due to lower the Dr. likes to fool around with stuff on. Toward the end. That was a key thing. All of a sudden the doctrine, those have fixed. Warm. Another hand up. Go ahead. Yeah, Hi. I wanted to add a little bit too about the narrator. I read this a long time ago and I re-read it. And I was struck by the eye called the unreliable narrator device, which you don't see very often. But going back to your detective club, put ten commandments, I think I broke commandment number one, which is you're not supposed to know the criminals thoughts and I think we did kind of know some of the doctors thoughts, although he hit a lot of stuff from us, I guess, as an unreliable narrator. So I thought that was kinda interesting. Um, and then the second thing I was gonna say was circumstantial evidence. I think that's what Agatha Christie did all the time with her books. Always relying on that confession at the end. That's just something that I always found with Agatha Christie. I thought that, you know, all of you lied. He could probably get away with it and any of her books, but that never happened. Yeah. She definitely relied on evidence as the basis for crime as opposed to once again, having living eyewitnesses. It turns out it looks at the eyewitnesses don't survive. They else. Okay. Dorothy Sayers and the other great British mystery writer. She was born a little couple of years after, excuse me, Agatha Christie, and only lived until 1957. She had had a handful of different physical issues over the years that bothered her, but she was a really a very broad individual. I mean, she wrote the mystery novels, but she's also poet. She also good translations. She translated and Dante's Divine Comedy from Italian to English. So just a variety of things, including some stage plays that she worked. So very versatile individual. Here are some quotes from her. I bought the first one, was. So the next one, if you look at cow and the face long enough, it will runaway. Facilitate for quotation covers the absence of original thought. That sounds like something dark and Parker was saying. And death seems to provide the minds of the Anglo-Saxon race. Brighter, fun to amusement than any other single subject. Sir, father was irreverent and Oxford. She attended Summerville College, which could get it that time period, relatively rare for a young woman to be attending there. And she published a series of poetry books based largely on Christian thought to that point. And then in the 20s, actually for almost ten years she worked for an advertising agency. And she was really a hot shot advertising. She developed the idea of clubs to encourage people to purchase a product. So many people involved in a club. It was the Coleman's mustard club. Colon as mustard, no, we still see today is a fine British muster King. She organized the Guinness zoo advertising campaign. So it basically looked at different zoo animals would do little rhymes or things for Guinness, such as this to Ken. Will, one here. And then she supposedly coined the phrase it pays to advertise. So we've heard that over the years. Was she a master of puns? I'm reading that and see what you can do. Yeah, Well, there's certainly within her witticisms within her books that are sometimes pond. I think it was probably more prevalent in her poetry. So she had a son that she was not married at the time, was not considered proper form. A child out of wedlock. So she basically got her aunt and cousin to raise the child. Never really admitted that she was or something until her death when in Rome. She ended up admitting that he was her son. A couple of years later, she married a Scottish journalist and author who had been retired military. And he had some, perhaps from mustard gas. But it has some lung issues from his time, served in World War One and ended up dying in 1950. Dorothy developed coronary thrombosis, which is ultimately killed her in 1957. She was a student of mystery writings. You'd like to read a lot of the other mystery writers of the day, and it was not ashamed to borrow ideas and thoughts and things from them as part of it. For firstname was called whose body? That was published in 23 busloads. Holiday was one where at that point in time, Lord peter Lindsay has married Harriet Vane and they can offer their honeymoon and then end up doing crime solving on the honeymoon. Thus the Muslims holiday title. But they did a screenplay of that. Which kinda reminds me going back briefly to Agatha Christie. Her play, the mouse trap, was by far the longest running play in the history of theater. Yeah. I mean, years and years and years. So her detective is Lord peter Lindsay. Definitely not for kilo per hour, but dislike. Perot was. And so I call him so lots of people thought farther than this real living individuals. She actually compiled the history of the lindsay family. Had it published under another name that I talked about their background and how they came from. Richard the Lionheart and the Crusades serving there and this little tracing them up. So she created a very extensive family tree that is older brother is the Duke of Denver, which is a fictional Duke don't but Lord peter Lindsay is basically something that you use to offset or on issues that she, she made him rich and gave them all kinds of things. So that as she says, it was an inexpensive way, wish fulfillment. So that was an interesting thing that I read that quote from her in terms of how she really looked at him as something to display what she wanted in life. So unlike some detectives, he does age in real time through the novels. We find out that he was cricket player when he did his first at Oxford. His athletic serves in the World War II, also works on publicity campaigns. So like Dorothy Sayers herself, he gets into the advertising business, works on different campaigns. But he's still very agile. So sort of portrayed as a dilettante. He doesn't need to work for a living, but he does have this advertising agency also creates this. I'm not sure if they talk about later and I've been in crisis agency for women who are, I'll call them secretaries. There are people who take notes in shorthand and work with people and help them stuff like that. Essentially they become intelligence force or for them. Yeah, he puts these women into different places and things where he's trying to investigate stuff and they collect information. He says that there's sort of a unnoticed, you know, they they go in and nobody sees them because they're there to perform a role in terms of supporting a business as a secretary in some way. And so that becomes a whole cadre of intelligence agents. Kinda, kinda Lula is works that were printed prior to 1,500. So it's very early printed material. They are specifically, they are books that are printed with metallic type. So it wouldn't be like something where a monk wrote something else. It's something that was very early examples of printing. Prior to the movable type. I mentioned that it came in the 500s. So these are called in cobalt blue. I had to look up, I didn't know why. But he collects them. And his Batman is his butler. Helps in those efforts. You rose to the rank of Major and the war. And I want to point in time, goes to the intelligence force and works. They're breaking codes and doing different things. And for some inexplicable reason, ends up going back to the front line again. Commanding troops. And he has a hard time at this point. He suffers from post traumatic stress disorder. They used to call up back at that point in time. But also he struggles with the fact that he had to send them to their death. So commanding and doing that. So both of those things kind of crop up periodically as he tries to deal with life. Has these issues sergeant of urban bunch ends up becoming is it was called that time on Batman, but also as valet and support Man there. So this is the fourth novel featuring peter Lindsay, was made into a TV series. I wasn't able to find those episodes online and look for them. You're probably very someplace but it's going to show part of one of those but couldn't find anything. But it's published in 1928. Again, relatively early in her career, although it was the fourth book in the series. So here, what happens is that general sentiment is found dead in the balloon o'clock. And Peter lindsay, Ms. Brought in to determine time of death because it's really tied to an estate. And we'll see you in a plot in just a moment. But what starts off as a simple process of Jose to come in and look at the general and look at things like rigor mortis or morbidity or other different things that you might use to measure. He started stumbling across all kinds of complications as part of the process. So here are the main players in this particular book. Certainly Lord peter Lindsay. Please detector detective inspector Charles Parker. He's a friend. Williams's ultimately ends up marrying Lindsay sister, who I don't think appears at all in this book. He's got an older brother who's the duke, and then a younger sister. I don't think I think that's all the siblings that he has. Merlin Buchner, who was a sergeant and is now is valet. Mr. marbles is a lawyer, basically use the one managing the states and the rules. General sentiment, who is not with us for a very long nose picking them up. Man. Lady dormir is general gentlemen sister. They have not been close and years. And so he had gone to visit her and discovered that he was in her will. And he'd been unaware of this previously. Robert, friend of mine, who is the son, and his brother, George. And then Sheila Benjamin, who is Georgia is why Thanks. This is a lady of dollars just in distant, distant, nice, nice or something that is the secondary error for this. And then Dr. Lee, who is a general specimens physician. And we also find out that he's engaged to n. And then Marjorie Phelps, an extra lover of Peter Lindsay's and an artist. So here's our plot. The general visits sister and determines that he's now in the will. And also that should he predecessor that state goes to add. So he's now aware of both of these things. The next day, the lady is dead, the next day as pharmacists date is November 11th. And the General has also found dead at the one o'clock. Someone named Oliver had called the genitals house to say he was spending the night with him. So the general was discovered at the club, but supposedly spend the night with all of her. Robert, the sun has moved the body. So what actually happens is that he is, the general is given massive dose of digitalis by Dr. Hamilton. And he takes that digitalis later in the day and dies from it. Roger. Robert, I'm sorry. Robert comes in and finds him dead. He is aware of the console well, and so it picks up his father and stuffs him in a phone booth, hangs it out of order sign, and then goes back. And the next day, which is Armistice Day, the 11th hour, people gather outside for 2 min of silence for pharmacist day, at which point, Robert gets the body out of the booth and puts it back in the chair and the club to be discovered. So once again, timeless death becomes interesting part. We eventually discover that the general was poisoned. That he had visited his Dr. after the fact. Peppers and ends up clearing a lot of uncertainties up by writing a confession and kind of breaks up with an because he doesn't want her to have deal with all these issues. And then just like Dr. Shepard did, he kills himself. So everybody seems to resolve these particular crimes by suicide, isn't it? Talk to your doctors? Doctors, and time of the issues here. So ultimately a kind of a little after we find that even though there had been some bickering over the state, they ultimately and Roger and Robert and George agree to a three-way split of the state so everybody goes away happy. But the whole goal of any comments, questions, when you need them so close together. There's so many themes that are sort of the same that the police are more likely to jump to conclusions. Well, I'm off in the wrong direction. Without looking at the evidence. The theme that the women were intelligent people but not perceived to be phi, lot of amendment would plot except for the detectives that. So clearly there was a little bit above women writing a story, but here's a man who does appreciate women. Specifically, very good. Bacteria and borrow or uses the women and says, well, your sister isn't an idiot. She gave me a lot about information and you've got to listen and so on. So the last thing is this romantic ending for the old bachelor, kind of hooking up with this sweet young thing. In both of those, most of the stores, which, you know, kind of unusual twist and both of them. Yeah. That's true. The other major N1 and then Robert and the other one, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. It was a message on the chat from Charles. He says that the unpleasantness of the blown-up club is available on YouTube. Okay, everything's on the Internet these days. It's okay. I'll go look for it again. When I look for it back when I was creating a course, I couldn't find anything that was fallback so good, I'll look again. Yes. Oh, hold on to say Go ahead. Yes. What is it? The general consensus that the Sayers was the morning or lecture will of the detective writers more so than Cristie. She was respected more for a more intellectual type of approach, so to speak. Well, perhaps, I mean, certainly she had the background with other works, with their translations, with her poetry and other stuff, maybe gay people, that perspective. Yeah. Christie was the more popular one and then she cheat sheet, I believe is still there. Most widely published author in the world with her books and all the translations. Somebody online, That's something yeah. Yeah. Policies were lane. Just a comment about women, private investigators in 1880s Britain. There, there's a show on PBS that the second season starts this month, I think, called scarlet and the Duke. And Scarlett is her, her father was a private investigator. It's set in 18 like early 1880s. And she takes over as practice after he dies. And so one of the first thing she investigates his, his, his death. But I did some research about, is it really plausible that there's a woman PI and 1700s England? And it turns out that it is because in 18, 50, I think it was 18, 58, divorce for adultery became legal in in Britain. And as a result of that, a lot of the male PI is started employing women because like, like you said, they could get around. Nobody expected them to be investigating anything and they were able to get more information that way. So I thought that was interesting about it. Okay. So for those of you who did not hear it, the picnic is October 12th is here and Louis, the, excuse me, the American Legion. Very nice cupboard rebellion. So even if we do have a clinic, whether we'll have a nice facility to hold it in. You sign up by, just like you sign up for a class, go to campus c0, you'll see the class there. Sign up. It's a 10-dollar fee. But we'll have hamburgers and hot dogs and grilled vegetables and Beyond Meat Burgers. And so it's going to have, it should be fun. Rubra around. We'll be conducting our older moments group. And I think we may even have some dancers looking forward to it and encourage you to sign up. Okay. A lot, but there is no security.

Week 04 FORENSIC SCIENCE AND THE DETECTIVE

From Paul Collins October 03, 2022

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British authors and forensics. The Detection Club and their rules. Agatha Christie and The Murder of Roger Ackroyd. Dorothy Sayer and The Unpleasantness at the Bellona Club.

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