Okay, you're gonna do that, Jon. Thanks. Yeah. Okay. So we're going to start with okay. Alright. Great. So okay, we've got a healthy attended say, and we are now recording. So there's a number of things that we want to look at today. First of all, any volunteers for no takers? I can do it. All right. Great. Thank you. Thank you. So we're going to start out with a couple of announcements. Some of these are just touching base from, from what we talked about last month. Hot. But we're going to just go ahead and go forward with some items. So a couple of requests. So last month we talked about the new website and actually, whatever we all get more cycles to work on that. Do have volunteer from Rachel straight. So that's the beginning. Anybody else that wants to help provide content and and guidance is quite welcome. So please get a hold of me. There is let's see. We're still working on volunteers for the DPO Friends Program. And there's a link here. If we had more of a discussion of that last month. And also one final reminder. The deadline for nominations, including self nominations for the user community is today. And the full description of the uterus community, including its role and responsibilities. The membership criteria can be found in the charge users committee. There's the document number and also there's the link to the post on the community. So that's bestseller, an initial announcements for today. So we were talking about so I'm going to move on to item 3. We were talking about the federation process. We do have dropped documents. And there's a link here. We see that there's been some comments on them, although we'll and John and myself. It's still honor to-do list to basically be view that. So our collective apologies for not actually releasing them today as, as promised, but we want to get them out to the collaboration within a week. It's our intended schedule. And then the idea is that once we had an out, We would like to have that collaboration and spout on. Then. Basically we'll set up a neck mechanism for that. That's something else on our to-do lists. And have that process closed up in time for our next meeting, which will be on Friday, November night teeth, which should be at the regular time. So John, I think we should add under this an action item, basically talking about how we do the mechanism for voting, right? Right, So funding and research opportunities. Moving on to part 4. Of course, the the first round for proposals into the hazing Simons Foundation grant system. That deadline has come and gone. Right. So John, do we know what the what the timeframe is, what feedback from the panel? I don't know. Okay. Alright. And I can say something, Yes, I think the view Athens at the end of the month, so feed down can come prior to beginning of next month and expect. Okay. Okay, Great. Great. Thank you. Great. So and we also had looked at this the catalyst post-doctoral fellowships. There were announcements. It's all way back at PCCW this year. Here's a link to it. And we had passed and ideas workshop on the program. And the, the application deadline is basically a month from now on November 15th. Here's the link to the Postdoctoral Fellowship for mentoring. And I think one of the, I think one of the points is that, you know, you can be a mentor and not necessarily be at institution that the postdoc is that. So more of an idea, partnering with people who can act as mentors coming from European institutions and trying to get a match with different sets of by expertise based on what the particular postdocs are going to be interested in. So that's still ongoing. Still have a month to think about that. But please contact myself or will or John. If you're interested in mentoring a postdoc who attended the ideas works out then what were the impressions that I attended it. But I like to know if that's if anyone else was there and had some impressions from it. Okay. And okay. Yeah. Yeah, I was there. There was a bit of discussion, but let me take this. But nothing nothing really specific on it. So copy that. Okay. January, but I did it. Okay. Thanks. Thanks. So with a group that we have here, is, is there a interesting in being involved in this process? So I tended to the ideas weren't sense that it wasn't an hour, a rotation about the program, apologies for the dog in the back. Then there were basically two hours of kind of socializing through gathered town where they had set up booths for various institutions. And then people would staff the booze and then the, the candidates would, would, would walk through and and, and talk to them about their institution, about their interests. And I thought it worked quite well. We had quite a few candidate stopped by the noir lab booth. And I think the, the thing for, for institutions that, that aren't directly involved in length. I think maybe the thing to, thing to think about is, is what unique thing with your institution and maybe your mentorship offered to these candidate. Postdocs. Did it because I think there's, there's some incentive for the candidates to apply to the session. They basically get an extra year of a postdoc funding in return for involvement and sort of building tools for link. And so for Fanon link institutions you just said, I think you just have to think about what, what is, what is it that you would pitch? As a mentor? I think you should not sit back and expect the candidates will come to you and, and, and find you. I think that, you know, what I got from the ideas workshop is that if you really want to be a mentor for one of these candidates, is you'd probably be actively pursuing it. Right, So then there would be some kind of forum in which the candidates would actually be able to, to see through the perspective of interests were basically a place where everybody's coming together to find potential matches that. Yeah, I think that that was the point of the workshop and that there is a web page there with the with the list of institutions. But yeah, I don't know if there's any way to reach particular candidates at this point other than through, say things like community or, or, or other means and sort of broadcasting. Hear your message to the people who are unlikely to see it. Okay, Oh, perhaps should our Science Collaboration then make a post, say jointly on community, express our day good idea, expressing interest with me, maybe with some of the topics because contort, organize it by the scientific work in groups, right? I mean, that would be, you could imagine that maybe there'll be a fellow was interested in the Magellanic Clouds, right? Right, And, and so forth and so on. So we could sort of emphasize those areas. And and then maybe they'll reach out to us. I guess from looking at the website, I didn't wasn't able to go to the meeting. It sort of seems like you they'll apply a no bill with an institution in mind, right? And get their fellowship. And then they put together this mentoring committee, right? Maybe that they discover the the outside Science Collaboration person right afterwards. But yeah. And on the other hand, to make it seem attractive to them, they, you know, they would probably feel better if they knew if they had an idea of who they wanted. Ride. Better bank project? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so even before there's a match too specific possible mentors just going, hey, you know, we're starting volume. We support what are the four pillars of else's tea science? And this is the kind of things that we view. Are we cool? And I think also Sarah raised your hand. Yes, Thank you. I think this is a very good idea. Also because of that. I see in that website that they have postponed the Parthenon available for submitting the proposal us that my dad follows that would like to apply. And it is request for a day, a project to highlight their decision with a priority for three different host institutions. So they should justify why they choose the first one, this one, the third one. So as you were saying, John, it is more attractive to connect people in advance to understand the potential fellow mentors relationship. And I can say I have attended the ideas workshop as well. And the ball, both the sessions and together with other colleagues from enough, the Italian National Institute for Astrophysics. We are institution and we have prepare presented. Then you can find in the website the link several different scientific topics because that enough and the different observatories around in different cities in Italy. Of course. You know, by our work here in South where local volume as well as GPS mainly, but also in Desk and other sense collaborations. We focus on very different scientific topics which range from AI Starts, which is my field to pulsating stars, supernovae and extragalactic sciences. What? Yeah, but I agree it is important to try and connect also because in the webs on the website. And this is a question for you. If you have some answer, I I see that they have postponed the portal that will be available now at the end of October, which is quite late for the fellows to prepare the project. So because I don't see many details on the kind of template for the proposals they should prepare. Because we have been contacted from some of potential line shallows and we don't advertise information to give them back on how to prepare the project. You're supposed to be there on October the 12th, but they have now postponed to the 26 I see today. What do you have? Yes. It is quite a couple of weeks before the deadline. So I don't know if we can solicit some more information from the organizers. Great. Yeah. Thank you for that information feedback. Sorry. Any other comments on this program? Yeah, John's I guess then my plan will be that I will write some sort of generic community post with a title that is no. So something like two applicants interested in star, whatever. And then perhaps individuals can leave comments on the post with more details or individual interest. And I'll shoot that link to the whole mailing list. And then hopefully, you know, maybe a conversation will happen if applicant actually ask questions, but, but you might just that way you can add your own information. Or if you prefer, I could edit the original post and put in your information whichever way you like. But I think, I think we should just proceed that way. Take the advantage of the community sites. Get I get the added that right. That right. Thanks, John. Okay. Moving on. This is just a reminder, a repeat from last month that their new community computing facilities, BB, I'm going to be made available. This is at the Institute for data intensive research in astrophysics and cosmology. At least last month we were talking about how well that link team at Lake we're interested to learn what the Science Collaboration need. So understand this is an ongoing process. But if you have a particular feedback on, on this set of upcoming resources here, to discuss on Slack and community e-mail list. We've got multiple venues for, for discussion. Once again, here's the link to their site. So that's something to keep the bad. So D, would this be one more add software development of computing resources site that the collaborations can make use of. All right, so that means at that point, we will have number a platform available. I say Mike rich raised the sand. Binding on. You did. Okay. Like he's not muted. I might like. Well, we'll move on, I guess. Right? Right. We add will leave his hand up and okay. Right. Yeah. Let's go ahead and move on. So coming up actually on the Tuesday and Wednesday excuse me. Can you hear me or is there a problem? Now we can hear you. Yeah. Now we can hear you. Sorry. I think there was a problem with my microphone. Excuse me. Sorry. Yes. The question was, I couldn't get the link to open in the live notes and I'm just trying to understand, Sorry, I'm late joining in, but just what the program was about was about it's a post-doc program. Support for how many postdocs and for what research? In a nutshell, it's surprisingly large number of postdocs. It's a fellowship program. I don't remember whether the number with six or 10, but you know, some some it's not just one. They are supposed to be doing LSST related research. There is a lot of information on this website. And then the idea is that somehow they're going to four, they want them to be connected into the science collaboration. So I think they're going to form a mentoring committee that includes besides their advisor at their host institution, which will presumably be some sort of LSST Corp member institution or certain other places. Mentors at. That could be another institution, but that are embedded in the science collaborations. And in fact, it says that comes with a small grant of some kind. Although I don't I don't know what that is or what the details of that are. So you could imagine that maybe there'll be someone who goes to University of Washington, right? They're going to be at Dirac. They do all these sorts of things. But maybe, you know, maybe they do bulge research and that you might be they're connected with them as a mentor, right? Even though you're down at UCLA or other types of connections of that sort, even if they didn't come to UCLA as such. I think that's my big picture thing, but the details I don't really understand. And apparently a lot of the details haven't even been posted yet even though the applicants are due in November. But it could also be that you should encourage grad students and postdocs who are in this field to apply because they probably would be very competitive. Alright. Yeah. My out-of-order. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No problem. Add thank Sarah for posting that information in the chat. I just dropped it into live notes. So essentially this is going to be 45 astrophysics fellows and 12 to Social Sciences fellows will be seconds per cohort or three to four year terms. And the sender should be like two cohorts, muddy. I'm not sure about the timeline for this month. Okay. Right. Yeah. In three to 43 to four year term, I mean, that's a that's a that's a pretty substantial chunk of time which will definitely take us into pass commissioning into early science. So that's, it seems to be an appropriate timeframe. Because I understand that for years is for link institutions, that three years is for every other institution. Got it. Okay. What is the what is a link institution? Well, anyway, I'll have to look it up. I'm sorry. It's the people who put together this program. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. All right. Anything else on this topic? Okay. Moving on. So the Tuesday and Wednesday before our next meeting, 16th, 17, is going to be workshop dealing with the project feedback on the submitted observing strategy metrics. And note from well, from last month is that we have until the end of this calendar year, the math team task forces have been updated list of metrics for the kids that said this worksheet. And of course still the Outstanding request API, you have developed a metric of figure of merit where it snowed. Please indicate which metrics in the math team to run a standard on the simulations. And unrelated. Will is still running the every other Thursday hack days into two sessions, from ten to 12, and then from one to three in the afternoon Eastern time. With the math simulations, support office hours being every other Thursday from ten to noon. Pacific time. Yeah. John, anybody is there? So have they gone ahead and done the posts on community? Anybody know? Sorry. Well, let's take my saying that but the other question yeah. Linen Peter's office hours. That was going to start at the end of September for math and simulations of the note for last month, was that to expect details on community? The presumed that was posted. I'm disciplinary. We have a link to it. Yet. I had I'm guessing it's there. Okay. Didn't give me that. Okay. All right. Okay. Right. Okay. So that's something to look at. So that's coming in a month right before our next meeting. Any other items? I think one of the items are n, is that we still have some opportunities to help lead our various science working groups within stars, Milky Way local volume. Now there's been some discussions about that. And in particular, I think one of the slots we really want to fill is for your near-field cosmology. So that seems that's something to think about as well. Any other items from anybody? Yes, Jeff. I was just going to remind folks that if anyone who applied to be a DP or delegate and was not initially selected. We just sent out earlier this week the the call for all of the waitlisted delegates to now I'm on board if they're still interested. So there's a there's a community post about that. But if you were someone who had applied and then waitlisted, you are now invited to join as a 2000 delegate if you're still interested. Right? I was going to suggest with the problem of finding the near field cosmology, you need to identify potentially people whose research my been in that area and actually reach out to them. Have you tried doing that? Yeah. We're members of the collaboration. Yeah. I know. We haven't done it. Basically a formal shout. I know there are, there are certainly people including on this call who are interested in your field cosmology. Right? And we do, yeah, and and I did up buying the chair positions that we want to be what want to have filled? We've discussed that in a couple ones and add in a couple of meetings with a couple forums. I think the point is that good that we should actively recruit. Why I'm varies including During the position as a as a chair and one of these working groups, right? Right. So basically not looking for new people to come into the science collaboration. But me, I'll perhaps, we have people who are already collaboration members who maybe have not been that active the last half a year to a year that we could possibly be but reach out to you. Yeah. So there's I think there's a couple different communities we can look at. So if anybody has colleagues or contacts who are, whose research is, it's related to, to this topic. And you think that maybe might be interested and giving us a hand, that would be fantastic. So this is all the topics that I have so far. John, do you have anything? Can anybody for the remainder of this meaning Monet had concern? I was one of the DP waitlisted people and I got the message, but not much happened. There was a link that I was supposed to go to community and to sign up for some dp 0 group. And there was no such group on the community page that the link went to and I filled out, there was a form that you said to fill out and I would be notified about signing up for something and I did and nothing happened and so on. I have no idea how the actual technology of elevated from waitlist to active dp 0 participation is supposed to go over. Yeah, You should hear more very soon, Dave, I add there. Turns out I don't have been permission to add people to the delegate groups like on GitHub and other such things. And I've been trying to get people's attention to make me an owner of that group so that I can do that, but it will be coming very soon. And, and then next week in the delegate assembly, a week from today, we will do in the breakout sessions, we'll, we'll sort of revisit the first on the presentation from the first delegate assembly where we sort of went through some very basics about how to access resources and how to how to login and data and things like that. So yeah, Apologies for the delay, but more coming very soon. Okay. I'll do my best to unfortunately in my life next Thursday was a total disaster, but we'll do the best I can. Thank you. All right. Anything else from anybody? So scheduling and reminders. Next month or meeting is on November 15th on Friday. At the usual time. I'll caveat is the United States is returning to Standard Time the week before on the seventh of November. So that'd be noon Eastern Standard Time. Arizona is already on Standard Time. This right. Is to point out. Just part of it. Yeah. So as Hawaii, right? Oh, hey, epic is on standard deck. Okay. Not with the reservations. No way those are federal property and they're on their good style, so okay. You gotta be careful. Yeah. All right. Okay. All right. Understand. Okay. So add of course, if you subscribe to the public as some w LB Google calendar, it should do your time zone conversions that we at least one hopes. All right. That is what I have for today. I'll open the floor for another minute or two. O one other one quick question. Is there is there enlists as some WWL the numbers somewhere where we planning to maybe have that on the website. For example. We write we do have a list of mailing list the members, right? And yeah, we we haven't posted that, but but but perhaps we should they get the points is I think that some of the information that we're, we're looking for, It's also association with particular science work in groups. That's what John Yeah, that's right. Right. Right. Other what other? We do have a list of everybody who's on the mailing list. And that and that list is actually updated on project side from the database. Okay, so, so if I wanted to, like in the end, does any other item here that look at existing members, the best source of membership would be would be to just look at the mailing list for now? Yes. Do you have access to that? Right. Yeah. I think yeah. And I think we all we all do. If we're on the list, you can log in. You get that monthly reminder of your login info and you can actually go in and login and see the list. Okay, good. Okay, that's good. Although at some point I think maybe it would be a good idea to have I It's a more convenient document, especially if we can not only like have an alphabetical list, but also how people group by working group interests. Basically to see how we're organized. Think that would be great. I that's that's a that's a good suggestion. So thank you for that. That's the well, will add that as action items high. If there's anything else. We can go ahead and conclude for today. You all very much for joining our earlier.
SMWLV Rubin Obs LSST October 2021 meeting
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