Like right now that you have joined, they give that video. Now he's disappeared, actually id. And you click the link again and come in. I can me Academy in there, but we're just waiting some technical difficulties with our guest. So pretty creating out here and meet my mother-in-law, Mary ten. I hear me share, oh, nice lies. She's like the best chair ever. Should be hiring engineers. >> Oh, that's true. >> Yes. Scan and let me tell you this now. This is good. And the joking way, we don't have to look for her to know Josh how to go and get r u u. Again, we're waiting on our guess. >> We're having some technical difficulties. >> But Curie Shannon was one of my students. She worked with data on research for her senior thesis, right? She's now a what? You're in your PhD or you I guess I just ended my kids and I'm starting my sir. So she didn't have a state E Ohio State, which is my alma mater. And just blind to, yeah, so sciatic. >> Tell David Hilary, I'd pay. Well, Hillary, chemistry exam committee. >> Yeah. So I moved from MSU to u d a couple years ago now and spent 15 years at MSU and watch them will up in their PhD program. Other so wonderful, it's so nice when you had a great, good people are not only they're smart, they're good people at the risk of sounding cheesy it. So they're just wonderful, happy to have them in the program. They do wonders. People, I'm trying to sort of scenes here, people prefer because if our children, so that fun class, everybody is worked out pretty well. >> Well. >> What's neat about it is that these are students from all different years. You know, since alumni Eric is actually when my oldest students what that sounds bad. I mean, here I taught him before I was even doing national agenda, but we just kept in touch. Yet his masters in public policy, year or so ago, recently And we're talking about PhD programs. Can we actually do this business here and we're recruiting such awesome students, then I'm just going to say this because I'm a straight shooter. I wasn't so sure what we were going to what we're going to get the first couple years, like why, why, what's the value proposition of mu D over a different university? But I'm telling you we, we would've accepted bees. >> I mean, I've spent time at Georgia, Penn State, at MSU, and we would have accepted our students at any of those universities. >> So I'm just so excited that it's going so well, truly gone. Great. We got awesome hires, like awesome hires. So we got a good a good thing going on here right now. Yeah, one thing we're doing and com, and this is a mixture of Palestine comm students. But, but Eric was always, Eric was polysaccharides but obviously came over to the calm side of things. >> Here's my TA. >> But you know, KM is such a broad field, we like to call it a variable field rather than a level field because you can go, it's not directed at like sociologist groups of people's psychologies, individuals. It's like you didn't go all across all these boundaries and it makes it really exciting and fun. And so one of the communication occurs about everything. So one thing that can be brought to the department and several of our new faculty to focus on helps communication. So communication campaigns, all that kinda stuff. So that's been a really neat thing to add to that department. I'm trying to use someone disjoint. >> Ok? >> This should be him. You gotta know who it is. I don't know if they all do. >> Alright. >> They are still having problems with video. Heidi. Heidi or Steve? Can you hear me? Lindsay? I love the background. Yeah. Yes. 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We can hear and you hear him completely communitarian. >> Steve, can you test out again? >> I just want to see if we can't hear you. We can. >> I see you. >> I'm welcome. Thank you for joining us and we met. I don't know if you remember. We knew it. Your commencement speech when you got your degree in political science. I was I was one of the factor and I've taken over as the director of the speaker series. So welcome. >> Thank you. >> I was expecting a little bit of a better background. >> I have just where's the pineapple pie? >> It wrapping. Wrapping. Craig, unity. >> So everyone, as you know, this is Steve Schmidt, a Udi alarm who ran McCain campaign and has recently started the Lincoln Project. So snipping, uh, tell us a little bit about that. It'll just kind of have an informal conversation with questions from my students. These are from students from previous years, from the current year and from feature classes. So and then we have a community member joining as well, some Cleveland's my taxes. >> So as projects, well, the Lincoln Project, an effort that was started by a number of former Republican political consultant for the purposes of defeating Donald Trump in this next election. And ultimately to stand as a coalition partner with the Democratic Party, with the candidates as really part of a loyal opposition. But that's committed to defensive the world. Walk to the Dignity of the office of the president. And just believed very strongly that the country being lead in the wrong direction. And so that's that's the that's the focus of the Lincoln Project. >> Seamless is working with you on that? >> Uh, Rick Wilson, John beaver read, Gail, and George Conway or other founders, and there was a pretty sizable staff that's involved entity as well. >> So and as you know from a distance there, well, read it real well. >> They look like everybody else. I was somebody who joking in the before time just flying 300 thousand miles a year in I live in Park City, Utah. I I'm in New York all the time for work. So like everybody in average Bender and adjustment, trying to steady-state, keep your family, take bands, make certain that you can keep business going and do all those, do all those things and yeah, but but certainly it's a strange time. You know, I'm experiencing it as a person, as a dad. I, you know, I, I think that this is one of the most epic advance in American history. It's certainly the biggest advance in any of our lifetimes. It's the biggest since World War II. And it should take the country years to get through. And this is a miss, an episode of American weakness, of the American failure of the likes of which I couldn't contemplate it. You know, you asked me on the last day of Barack Obama's presidency, would it be this bad? And I was someone who was deeply worried about hot President Xi and I talked about that and articulated yet. But you know, it's a, it's a, it's a difficult time for the country and we have some hard days clapped on the chosen anywhere near cued to even the end of the beginning, really. And we've been, we've been very badly lad, and that's why, you know, in the United States we have the most direct economy, the most deaths, and the most infections that we're gonna be living with that for a long time. >> Well, if you were an advisor to President Trump or the Trump administration, not that you would be. I feel like one or two political communication. There are so many things we could do that would bring people on board. They could, they could yield to patriotism, to all these other things that like rallied after 911. And I just I wonder what advice you would have for him if he could get him in the room and say, this is what people need, this is what Americans need right now. >> So I would tell him to resign because black, because he lacks the intellect, the mental stability, and the morality to lead the country. And so we see somebody up there completely unable to grapple with the immense human suffering. A 100 thousand Dad will be another 100 thousand dad. We now have more data in the country than we did from Vietnam in the Korean War combined, we have a president who gets up there and talks about his TV ratings. He talks about injecting household disinfectants. Q lies and lies and NIH submission forms spreads confusion and engage and act irresponsibly. It's the most profound failure of leadership in American history. He has earned, is placed at the bottom of ranked present Jesus the worst. President James Buchanan is an awful, never heretofore just weighed in the entire history of the country. Leadership is poor as what you've seen from this president. So all of these things, whether it's accusing Joe Scarborough of murdering his aide and the gain of the father of the young dad woman. He, he, he is cool, has a lot of malice that these things are innate to him. And so all of the hypotheticals, if it was President Bush or Obama or reg, and what would you do? What you would do is what every other theater in a normal country is doing. You would do of miracles doing what McCone is doing. You review what responsible leaders all over the world have done in their reopening their economies and they got this under control. We're far from here being able to do so. >> Yet don't mince words. Our students as well as an app looks, it may share and share. My department just left nasa community members who would like to ask the first question? >> Jacob, alright, well, thank you very much for coming. And just for context to my question I'm interested in comes in. >> I'm a Democrat and I felt press internships for Democratic members of Congress. >> And so we come from different sides of that coin. But I wanted to ask for about an issue that that really affects the jobs that both sides have to deal with, especially in the calm sphere. And that's really fonts news. And so as a former or as a current republican communications advisor sold in aid, whatever. Like how did you guys use Fox News? >> Or how? Like how did you guys form Fox News into what it is now, which basically is just amplifying whatever the White House says. >> Because as a doubt on the Democratic side, It has a match for that. Like there's no democratic eclipse socks news. And so in the time that you are in the Bush White House and the canteens before the Trump presidency. >> That was the time that thought Susan's developing the influence it has now. And so how do you use that to your advantage? So first caught a couple of things. So I left the Republican Party a couple years ago and most of the work I do is advise companies, CEOs, you know, people in the private sector, the news which was, which came into being and 990s sex, right? And you know, one of the things that I think is an event that was, there was an enormous cultural banned in this country and really shaped news coverage in a profound way. Because the OJ Simpson case and, and trial. And after that, you add the birth of all the cable networks, including FOX News and Fox News when it when it came into being. Why a correction to a BI IS that existed between national newspapers and the major networks. And Fox News tilde a vacuum AND fair and balanced slogan, I would argue for a long time was probably accurate and unnecessary. Collected and the Fox News of the gaze when I was about in the Republican Party versus today. It's a completely different animal. It's the disintegration of all and any new Sandberg, the craziness of the host, the conspiracy theories, the becoming the propaganda arm of what's essentially a cult of personality. You didn't have any of that back, back in the day, Sean Hannity had Alan Kong San Yao Hannity was the superior debater and you know, and Combs was the was the debate patchy in that? But now at least there was a presentation the other side. And what was certainly the case that there, there would not have been on Fox News versus CNN vs MSNBC or ABC News or CDF's is very, there were not a band, a completely alternate reality playing out on one network versus the other. So you've seen this MIC pass digitization and, and it began, I think in 2009, when the Republicans were completely out of power and Rush Limbaugh became the titular head of the party. And you had every elected official. The previous leaders of the party became appendages. They became the tail on the dog into Rush Limbaugh would go out and say outrageous things and no one would ever column out. Then you had a reality star hose get onto the bandwagon, pretty CO, and Apollo checked and you saw this day crazier and crazier and crazier. The merging of entertainment and news and ratings. And then yeah, with 2016, it was Katy bar the door and, you know, we are where we are now, but, but look, we weed you can't have a functioning, stable, healthy democracy that's completely unmoored from concepts of what's true, what's real, what's ally with ins? And then that's where we are. And I, you know, I think Fox News has become a, you have talked about this, a completely pernicious force in American Y then it was just remarkable today to me to see the Wall Street Journal and bang against Trump in talking about baddies, the pacing is office, and you're sitting there reading this 3.5 years and you're like, oh my god, right just now, like eat the basing his office. And so, you know, I I think that yeah, that's a good question. To understand this moment. You have to understand the primacy of conservative media hits, fusion with the Trump Political mode, moment and movement. >> Q. Alright. Another question. I have a question, amelia. >> Hi, I'm Amelia. >> Thank you so much for coming. I think that your product to the Lincoln Group at speaker, Fascinating. So I'm just wondering in your opinion, what you sync, Democratic candidates need to do in order to win the Republican vote or to gain repo that might not be in favorite Trump when they're running for election. >> Well, when you look at the numbers right now, I mean, overwhelmingly the country believes that it's responsible to wear a mask. And I think that most people look out and they see Trump NSC felonies fail, profound, right? And so that's why you see his poll numbers in decline. Biden with the weeds. Daddy has any interior holders numbers on how he's handling SEO. People know this is a disaster. I think people have a sense, should have a sense that we don't have a depression level economy. We'd all have economic collapse because coronavirus, we have, we have economic collapse because of Donald Trump's response to coronavirus. The country that has produced half of the Nobel Prize winners in math and science. And liking Pepe, the epicenter of this virus, most apps, most infections, most economic collapse. And a Democrat have to hammer home that argued that the country cannot endure this for four more years. We are in a state of decline, and that decline will become precipitates and may be irreversible it with four more years. So I think it's gotta be brutal to wracked, unsparing language. The American people have to be reckoned with. Communicated with honestly. And what's true is that it's about to take a long time to recover from that mass unemployment in this country. We key the profound divide economically between the haves and the have nots. We see the wreckage of the Main Street Academy and Wall Street do and why we key trillions of dollars of government spending that are going to be a wash. And a corruption. That's just hard to imagine. Ancient she loves. And so Democrats have you call the questions the real time for choosing. This is the most important election in my mind to JK. Thank you for where the country decided if we were going to continue to be contrary or not. And that's true, and that's where we are. But I think Democrats gotta be very, very, very top while drop and they can't let him play by one set of rules and then by a different set of rules. >> And given that we at another famous alum, Joe Biden from University of Delaware. What advice would you give him right now and running against Trump? And it's kind of crazy, crazy time because he started getting criticized for not speaking out. And he gets criticized and actually coming out. >> And what do you think is best move as explained? >> Well, he chatted yesterday. He would ask the question about font than the map. And he studied the fool and he has a pool. We have a 100 thousand get Americans because we have a fool sitting behind the resolute desk and me any Oval Office. And I don't use these words to name Paul at all, but by his behavior again. But silage, we talked about injecting households. It's in fact in, as a cure to coronavirus when you just evaluate the things that come out of his mouth. And so all actions are a choice between more of the same or change their video locked up. >> Tremendous. Announce. >> Yeah, all our choice between war the same or change. And there is an old question that Rao Reagan pose that that suits this moment, which is, are you better off today than you were four years ago? And the answer to that question can be found in Trump's campaign slogan, which would make America great. Again, he said he could do it alone. And he's brought suffering and death and economic collapse on an epic shell which started out at the beginning of the years, keep America great and now its transition to greatness, which is an implicit acknowledgment that this has been a mass failure. Instead, outflow by Jared Diamond dyed them every day. He's the worst president in the history of the country. It's completely a manifestly unfair. There's not one person on this on this on this new bill with Donald Trump is driving the drive and the drive and the van around new arc, you wouldn't you wouldn't get on the van. That's how we were talking and how he just didn't stop. You just learned. And so that's, that's where we are in this moment and binds just gonna hammer, hammer home any gotta lay out an agenda for recovery that's practical and shoots the magnitude of the moment. >> Alright, thank you. Other questions? >> Thanks for joining us in Canada or some really red area masters or masters. And I work in the legislature for the House Democrats. Whoever I work a lot in my personal life, I know many, many people who are trumps subscribers. >> And I kinda feel in a weird way it's ability to delineate them, to bring them along a little bit, if you will. And I was just curious, a stone is probably still close to or related to a lot of people who at least map's describes the putting party, if not full sin, on the Trump train. If you have this kind of a human question, Do you feel kind of that personal professional responsibility in a way, to those people? In a way, the further you see them go further and further away? >> I'm not I met some of that in the middle there. >> Yes. So embrace it. ****. >> My question boils down to, in your profession, I assume over the course years, you've built a really big coalition of people who are either Republican or unfortunately maybe now are still on the trunk training. Do you feel any kind of personal responsibility to those people to kind of bring them back to some form of, you know, reality, particularly about his conspiracy theories and misinformation, that those things. Do you feel, you know, any kind of ache towards that or hurt. >> It's something I've carried with me because a lot of my friends and family and people where I'm from or fully committed the train and I feel a responsibility to bring them back. >> Well, I I don't I'm not sure that I feel a responsibility to those people as much as I feel a responsibility to the country. And the responsibility I feel that the countries that use an essential moment for politics, and I literally can't understand yet you gave of the argument that any person can make for four more years like this. It's appalling his conduct. Every single values that I was taught to revere as a White House staffer at somebody who grew up in the era that I grew up in that loved American history is debate by, is debates by Donald Trump. And what I would say to those people is Donald Trump doesn't care about them at all and do real damage to the country. And now at the same time, I think Democratic incumbent upon them is you can't, you can't run a campaign that's fueled by scorn. Perhaps the country you can have condescension, thank contempt for working class people. And I think that's what makes Joe Biden such an effect. And candidate is he does it You know, I think that you will actually, years ago, Would you call people deplorable? People that identify with that culturally? And be clear, you know, we're, we're in out type of cold cultural Civil War. Cold words, country and Trump play. My fault line at that net fault line of it is, is real and it's playing out in the context of this virus. But you know, when people show up a tactical gear carrying Arabic gains camouflage from head to toe, wearing masks is the Michigan Legislature. >> It's not okay to intimidation. It's not a re-expression speech and they're not good people. And he shows the type of country we are going to be. And this moment in time is a profoundly important loss in the truth of the matter is, is that Trump's got a floor of about 40 to 41% probably at the bottom. >> It's not enough to get him reelected. >> And so you want to try to get as many as you can get. That's part of the focus of the Lincoln Project is that the ambition to switch Republicans is on scale with what happened in 2018. And I think there's going to be a very significant movement in this country of people who voted for Barack Obama and then voted for Trump are going to come back and they're going to vote for Joe Barton. They've looked at as maybe you ate that and say, well look, if this was an airline pilot or a surgeon, or a lawyer or baseball manager, football coach, who just would tolerate a competence. And Americans have never historically toleration, incompetent. They think it's the loser quality. And so I think that you'll see those voters Common coming, solid, them come and back. >> We'll say, you know, I'm Mary is with us. He's not just a community members. It's also my mother-in-law says that he's a fan, but I was just thinking about each she'll be Eventbrite interviewed Joe bite. I did in 2017 and Jordan was at that one rate and so was newsworthy about Wednesday this time that Joe Biden had said, Donald Trump's behavior is this LAR bizarre restaurant. And it was kinda like knowing why they hadn't really said that. I hadn't really said that. If people have been saying this, lunar certainly won't have happiness. If you called this behavior or sooner. >> Well, I think that some of us call the bar bar. I don't know what else you call. It's not, it's not acceptable at any, at any level, right? The constant y, the y, and particularly predictors, because it, why didn't I ask them for years, like your wives of authority and and understand this, right. >> Most politicians >> Why, at least in the sense of white lies, right? Sayings of embellishment to strange profession. If you think about it right, you know, most other normal people and most went out. You talked about yourself through a prism of superlatives like politicians do, right? >> You wouldn't, you wouldn't be a very popular person, right? >> People would be like, what's wrong with you? Recompile politicians gotta talk about themselves as being better than someone a better choice. >> Or there's a weird deal. >> Trump flies, relies you afford, right? When you go out, you look at, hey, this crowd size is bigger than that crowd size when the photo clearly shows that it's not and its supporters are out there watching a photographic avalanche and saying, Now I'm with the President, that they will bend their sense of reality the way, ie, beliefs, and you've seen that over and over and over again, is that's what true for a Trump supporter, isn't what we would have acknowledged all of us in the country five years ago. What objective truth is what the president's evidence. And it's a hallmark of authoritarianism, right? This is straight out of 1984. Were Winston being tortured? >> At the end of the book in the party official holds up five fingers and says, How many fingers am I holding up, right? >> And Winston says the five fingers and the party official says, I think it's four or three, however many to party tells you. And so it's it's, it it's writing in my view, our loss of inability, particularly in the middle of it, deadly crisis. A country that leading invention country, Math and Science country, the anti-science dogma, the Madison dogma, the anti-vaccine stuff, you know, all that wrapped up in this embrace of Trump being grievance and anger. It's terrible for the country and it is bizarre behavior. And what people have, I think been very slow to say is what's the lobbyists? We true yeast VoIP was if he acted like that and you get the captain of the US Naval War vessel. They take them off and that ship, and it's great jacket behavior renders them okay. And if he's not on fit through the prism of this behavior than what possible standard of fitness could there be well maintained since you attended that talk? >> Do you have any clients? Do I do? I'm waiting for some Republicans, some Jon IQ up against this president is their chance of that. >> Why I think it's awesome. Condemned his remarks today on Joe Scarborough. Mitt Romney is about the pyramids addressed doubt Donald Trump right at that, at that moral level. But the but the truth of the matter is the party is last. It's off to his mast. I take that Republicans will lose the Senate. And I think that the party of prompts gotta beat burned down. Gotta be, it's gotta be repudiated. But now there's John McCain, is that yeah, there is no new John McCain >> So just write areas throughout. >> You know, we have a, we have a real lack of courage for the crisis of cowardice amongst politicians to surrendered every sentence of their obligations, their oath to support a cult of personality and to be apologists for the most despicable and cool type of behaviors we've ever seen ever in the country from a position of leadership. He's like an anti Lear and it's appalling. And I, and I just thank you now, and I just made this API and astounding facts for, you know, for your, for the students on the on the call. But when I when I came to University Delaware and the fall, fall of 1988, I was the first presidential election I can vote. >> In it. >> It was George Herbert Walker, Bush, Bush 41 verse he, Michael Dukakis would have felt like back in the day to 80% of the campus supported George Herbert Walker Bush. You might, you might want to your fellow students, right? Who was a Dukakis person. It was like data born on their head. The collapse of all the conservative movement or the Republican Party into this cauldron of weirdness in and Trump's cult of personality. It's just incredible to watch. But I'm looking at young kids today, and I think this is the President of the United States when I was a young kid, the president with Ronald Reagan and even just the eighth figure out profound, a tremendous dignity, right when he would every, did he look great doing it and the market about the country and uplifting and unifying pumps you want 49 days we had deprecated partisanship, but the outer debasement of the, of the office, a product, a generation of young kids. I think it's tragic. >> I agree. >> Thank you. As you bet has also appearance and you know, it might my students know this in the classroom and very nonpartisan. I don't subscribe to every example I gave my meat products class. All these classes I teach, I get examples from both sides. And I found it. And it's hard to be that way since Trump was elected because it's it's just it's so doesn't follow any of the standard rules. And it's like it doesn't even, he's not even using instead a Republican. He doesn't even fit, as I'm sure you probably agreed, is using kind of follow that same game plan. Its just isn't Trump. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Well, what do you fall on? The institution and the fraction balance, the syntax, on-the-job department, the rule of law, the retribution. Not upbeat. Not if there is no. A combination to the things necessary, right? There's no, you don't need to understand McCarthyism through a prism of equal treatment and consideration of the claims, right? >> It to smear it. So when we look at trumped that, we looked at the debasement, we'd look at him. >> It shouldn't look at him through the prism of abnormality. And we should look aimed specifically at his refusal to function within the framework of American presidents from FDR for Barack Obama as the head of the US liberal global order, which he had stepped away from out. He did the world's rulemaking to something other than the US lead international order that we've maintained for 75 years. And I would argue even a great force for good in the world. And then secondly, right here, here at home, he has surfaced some of the worst racial divisions in the country. You stoke the cold civil war between the American people. And he has given rise to a lot in soil native populations on so antithetical to every possible conception of Americanism. >> And we understand what the country is all about. >> Alright, let's get a question from another student. >> And then John, thank you for doing that is on one of the things that I thought was interesting was Dr. them ashes coming out and saying that should be a Peach last year and then getting kicked out of the Republican Party would be impeachment team have done a better job convincing Senate is anything other than acquittal with just an emotion. >> That team, I don't know, but what kind of changes do you think will be coming to the Republican Party in 2020 if Trump does lose, well, it will depend how badly he is and how bad the collateral damage is. >> Right? And, you know, when you look at the base of the party, Trump will claim all manner of subversion of the process. You'll never concede and say that it was a fair election. We should understand the radical departure that will be from the American norm and sustain people transition of power that's occurred since 1797 in the country. But, but Trump won't do that. So there will be and there is a constituency for Trump is I'm right, Donald Trump Junior. It's going to be, or none of these people are going anywhere, right, to have the Pompeii, you have the Nikki Haley's, right. And then there will be some reform supplicant over ay, but because Party has the lose an election cycle or two, but I think it's gotta be a wipe out. >> In in in the fall >> Political parties, as they shrank and they get smaller, they also become more extreme. You, a great example of that is the California Republican party, right at the smaller right. And all the formerly normal people who were members of it are gone and they become either independent or Democrats, like in California, you go to a California Republican Convention is like a collection of weirdos that bed straight out of the Star Wars 4C, right? And the smaller it gets, the more extreme. Again though, you'll see that, that dynamic play out in the Republican Party or with the next couple of years, the parts lose. And then lastly, then you all would be a better judge than, than I am. But he doesn't gain that drove a lot of enthusiasm around a party for people your age that's perceived to be anti global warming at d psi ant, anti Madison, anti-immigrant, anti-gay, anti-woman, right? And that better sizes assault rifles and the Confederate flag. >> I mean, tell me if I'm wrong. >> I mean, it's, you know, I think some people like that stuff, but it's nowhere near a majority. And it's a straight path to getting shattered as a political party. >> John, do you go ahead with your question? I have to pay. >> Steve, I recognize you from frontline and I know you worked with John McCain, but what was your possession? >> So again, I know you worked with John McCain, but what did you do for him? He ran. >> I was always title your advisor. >> So laid back, Woody Harrelson and Game Change. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. >> For cell, like as a campaign manager, how big is how much of a role did you play in choosing Sarah Palin? >> And when moods Lee when she was chosen, you today, anybody from the team that she would go onset time does start this Tea Party Madsen similar questions saved just hearing as well as movies and books made about that. >> But then the shorter than I, so I took over the McCain campaign into lie down double digit. And I was given every responsibility in the campaign, the Republican convention, and the vice presidential selection and vetting process. And so the guy you retain, the campaign manager tiles named was the day that the responsibility for that. And I didn't really have a sense about three days after we picked or that she thought that the President worked with the Queen of England and she couldn't distinguish where Iraq and Afghanistan where on the map and, you know, and on and on Khmer in. So, you know, I saw somebody over the course of the campaign and I'm worried about right at all. The thing by criticized Trump or intellectual deficiencies, mental stability deficiencies, temperament deficiencies And did somebody give us YouTube is completely dishonest. Now, what would I think that, that she embraced right is and exploited in the years after that was profusion of celebrity and politics. Yes, you got a $1 million contract on Fox News. And I'm not sure what the argument was that any rational person could make by the end of the campaign that therapy Allen had a legitimate future and with somebody that you could put forward in the future seeing and high national office. Amishi who's credited herself by her performance and demonstrate occur on fitness all the way through this. And so you go through therapy, islands, resignation from the Governor of Alaska office. And, you know, if you go back and you watch that, and I remember watching it really barely about this with someone who appears to me to be in a lot of stress, right? If this was your mom or your sister or friend, you'd be, you'd be really, really concerned about their comportment, you know, in that moment, the strain on them. But all of a sudden you're just sitting in there and amazed. You're watching like all the commutator top box saying, well now she gave me a really strong candidate in 2012. And so what what Zara pale and represented, I think is this moment in time where people became bowed, the mob, and afraid to speak. What would obviously true, what was obviously real, right? >> That she was a complete and total idiot who had no sense of anything and had no business being on a vice presidential check. >> It running for president being an high national office. >> Adults say that unkindly. >> I mean, I don't know what else to say about her, just completely unfit. >> And so what you then have is this metastases, Daesh, and I think there's all these racial elements that play into it as well with Trump and birth arrays. And what we saw was people became terrified and new social media age of saying wow, this person in-app purchasing thing, competent. That's crazy. Applicant sphere at the Gehry, that's disgusting. Why would you talk about someone like that? That position make no sense, became so tribe alive over these years because of that crisis of cowardice that I, that I talked about. >> But I, but I think that Callaghan and Trump exist on a continuum in this country that you could trade on a straight line. >> Back he, George Wallace to Father cropland two The Chicago Tribune of the 19 forties it do, I think with Robert McCormick was the editor and publisher. Isolation at populist, you know, strain in American politics, each aged, profound misunderstanding and a mistake that they get materialize out of thin air. It 2008-09 we can get. >> So line, all these things is that this line from wireless to Sarah Palin. I mean, is there Is that going to continue to exist? >> What do you think? You can go back? >> You can go back. >> You can just go to Washington DC. And you looked at the Washington Monument. And about a third of the way up, you'll see that there's a discoloration in the, in the marble. And that is from when there was a donation, I take in 1840 by the Catholic pope. And the no, nothing came and sees the marble from the quarry and throw it into the Potomac River and shutdown construction of the monument for 25 years. Now, a lot of the people that they were trying to keep out of the country at the time were German Catholics. And allows German Catholics wound up serving in a unit of the Minnesota, Minnesota during the Civil War. And Iperf Minnesota is an interesting military unit in American history, beneath the higher casualty unit in the history of the United States Army. And on the second day of Gettysburg, there was a New York politician, a congressman. He was corrupt as how its claim to fame was. His shock is mistresses. Lover a had gotten away, which was unheard of, right? Picky, picky, picky. They're going about Congress or you like Trump, or Trump maybe general dance shekels and hit New York regiment with on the end of the Union line. And if you've ever been to Gettysburg, or if you understand the battle, all the Confederate army had to do with the get around the end of that wine. And they would have been straight up to the high ground there, would have been able to sweep the Union army from its position, didn't end. The Confederate army would have been able to march and burned Washington DC. >> If it shows he does nothing with inbetween and dan sickles Union line, the collapsing weeping overrun by man from Alabama. >> And William Scott Hancock, who becomes the Democratic nominee for president in 1880. Gallup's at full speed to the end of the line where the first Minnesota is. >> And there's no patriotic speeches. >> He just says, what unit is this? They stay at the First Minnesota. >> He suspects Bay in essence charge 200 men, charge 2 thousand. >> And they route the Confederate Army. And literally three minutes time they faith the anion, you could go back to a singular three max that determined if America exists or not. >> It's there. >> Most of those men who were killed, 80 plus percent of them didn't speak English. They were the very people that know nothing's wanted to keep out of the country who then become at saviors. That's the story of America. >> Yuri asked the comment and the story of enfranchisement. >> And so that we had the first African-American president is not the end of the story. Every time that there's been a step forward in civil rights in America. There's all these Benny works backwards. The profound terrorism and violence in the post-Civil War period after Reconstruction ended in the FAO. The ninth When you saw black soldiers coming back from World War One, believing they had earned a right and freedom in their country, having bought or other people's freedom in Europe and you saw a retrenchment. It's why so many of those confederate memorials, right, that people claim fidelity to. They were born in the night. They go from the 19 twenties. >> Hey, are there political statements? So it always existed, right? >> And it's the, it's the spite, the political fight of each generation rate to put it down, right, to not let that poison to do come back up in. Trump's brought a lot of it backed up, unfortunately, but it's not a new thing and we shouldn't pretend that it is. >> Thank you for that. And I don't want to keep you past the hour, which we promised we'd keep it to an hour. And I know John, I know you had another question, but I wanted to see if anyone else who hasn't had a question yet. >> That's a question. >> If not, John, you can ask years. >> Actually answer both of them out. >> Okay. Good. >> So Justin, I'm looking at you history buffs and Natalie who just raised your hand. So I'll go to Natalie. I mean, I wanted to plot is becoming ugly eye, but I will say I don't know if I missed this portion of conversation to backtrack to you a little bit. When you were just when I think Jacob said We don't know, we don't have a version of Fox News. I would actually, I might want to ask your opinion on this div, but I honestly feel like at this point, you know, news, news outlets like CNN, NBC's one. Yet, you know, historically we've been more liberal or at this point being borderline. I use the term records with their reporting because if you can tease it, I feel as though like if you continue to give him this plaque, trump this platform to spread more disinformation? Whose job is it to draw that line? And bullock disguises this information. Why are we asking him about x-y XYZ? I'm referring to specifically the the interviewer he did. I think it is with CNN this week where they asked him about the Columbia study where they reported, third, like 36 thousand lives could have been saved if he had taken action sooner. And he just kind of Discredited all of it. Called it a liberal, like you described, a liberal institution described the entire Columbia University and general. So I would love to know your thoughts on that. And they're like what what right? Yeah. Like what role? I mean, forgive me if this was already got workingmen. No, but what role does the press Play? And like I know it's so hard to draw a line but light because he's the leader of the country. But yeah, I want point. >> You have three, right? So I'm gonna talk about this through the praise of great grief, pain for eight. And so you'd have on Twitter or you got part of discussion is exactly what you raise, right, should be broadcast at all. >> And I have a strong feeling on this. And it's this it's like there's no trigger warning. This And I realized this is this is happening. >> We have, we have the most profoundly mismanage response to a crisis in American history by a former reality TV show host who lacked the mental agility, the intellect, and the moral fiber to lead the country where the epicenter of death and ethanol, economic collapse in the world that he did not have to be so. >> Alright, so this is, this is real. >> And, and in the end, as it has always been since Benjamin Franklin walked out at the Constitutional Convention, than apocryphal or not, the woman who shouted to him, Mr. Franklin, what have you given us beneath that? A republic, if you can keep it that Churchill later observe that in a democracy, we get the government, we deserve the, the American people. And American democracy requires an informed citizenry ate. It requires an acceptance of an ability to discern what reality is. And this is a tragic moment for this country of, of weakness that I never thought with conceivable to see in my, in my lifetime a moment of national weakness. >> International, Do you mean humiliation? >> So my answer to you is take it out. >> Where are you going to do about it, right? >> Because the question about four more years of this where we're going in a different direction, I think is as important a question that we will ever have to collectively answer in any of our workshops. Clicks and the consequences of it are going to be profound or to be profound for your generation. And so take it and drink it in. Understand what's happening and understand you have the power to do something about it. >> Though, you know, it's it's FISA. >> I because I recently graduated last year and now I work at vice News. And you had told me a year ago, as bad as things were a year ago, that, you know, we'd be sitting in the place we are today and working in news now, some of the things I'm seeing are the most, I gravely disturbing things I never hope to see in a lifetime. And it's a little bit, it might to fire under your butt, but it also makes you feel hopeless. >> And the other thing I would say, look, you know, aren't you think like on reporters sometimes when he said the craziest thing, you have to stop and you have to stay there. You have to say like, what are you talking about? Why are you doing that? Totally control the pace of the interview, right? In a way that prevents the interviewee boding properly. In my view, sometimes the Athens of what do you do? You thing it who we is, which I think is this natural. I understand. >> Yeah, wow, saved that. >> That's, that's a lot. >> History, morality, ethics, democracy. I really appreciate you joining us. >> You bet my pleasure. >> And all these UD folks are so proud of you for being a part of the UT community. So unless you have some final thoughts, I don't wanna keep you any longer than may prompt. >> I doubt I go everyone, everyone. >> And I hope you all get back to school and have as much quantity you can. Yeah. >> It's hard being away from the campus. >> Yep. >> All right. Everyone, have a great summer. >> Thank you. And go.
National Agenda Reunion with Steve Schmidt
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At a virtual happy hour on Zoom, National Agenda Director Lindsay Hoffman, Ph.D., welcomed University of Delaware alumnus Steve Schmidt (AS13), a past guest speaker of UD's National Agenda speaker series. Schmidt is one of the most respected and influential campaign strategists in the country. Schmidt has worked on numerous high-profile political campaigns, most notably managing daily operations of John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign. He is currently a political analyst for MSNBC and NBC News. After the University of Delaware transitioned to online instruction in March 2020 in response to the coronavirus pandemic, Hoffman invited current National Agenda students and alumni to attend weekly reunions, featuring past National Agenda speakers as surprise guests.
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