It's on the minds of many of us, including on them. That was brought up this morning with Pam and Steve. It's sustainability and aviation. So at this time I want to welcome back to the stage for the pound discussion three, the students that we just heard from Chanel, z naught, and taka. And also welcome a fourth member to our panel discussion. Today, Karen blogger, who day as a first-year PhD student from the University of Delaware, affiliated with the Center for composites materials. Bu De. Welcome to imagine aviation and welcome all of you to this panel discussion on sustainability. Thank you so much. Thank you. Cited, really excited for a great conversation here. When we talk about, and you hear the term sustainability. It has so many definitions and connotations in our society today. So I wanted to take some time and facilitate a conversation and kick us off about some of your thoughts on regarding this topic today. When I say sustainability or when someone mentions it, specifically, what do you think of in the realm of aviation sustainability, what does that mean to you and how are you and your team addressing how you might impact this topic area. Now, so if you ask me, Well, this scenario generally see a sustainability. He's nothing but just preserving quality or relieving to future. But in terms of aviation, If you ask me so we have a lot of technological developments in terms of research and scientific technical technologies. And we want, we want to just maintain that quality by recycling a lot of material. Since I'm a, I mean, I'm doing my PhD project on recycling of composite materials for aerospace applications. So I mean, we do have a lot of drawbacks why we do the recycling and in terms of sustainability, because the recycled parts are like the recycled components in the aviation doesn't exhibit the same quality or performance in terms of the Jane, the Virgin might you use? But how we are addressing this is the process of our amine, our unique painting process called a tough, tough technology. So we're trying to address this issue by using that technology, by recycling the materials like the original materials are the materials which are like at the end of their life. And like trying to get the same performance as they were like having in their original or like the origin parts. So from our technologies, we're trying to retain their 100 percent of their properties in terms of the stiffness and also in terms of the strength. So far we will manage to do all these experiments where we managed to get 100 percent as of stiffness retention, which is like really, really important for stiffness critical applications. And also the energy savings is like really, really admirable because we had 70 percent as of reduction in energy consumption in terms of the stuff processing of recycled parts for three different iterations. So I think this one is like really a good start for recycling composite materials for aerospace applications. And I would think this is like a great start for the sustainability aspect in terms of the aerospace applications, right? That's excellent. Z, That's Saint. Same concept. When you hear sustainability in aviation, what are some of the things that my pop in your mind and maybe how your work connects to that. You need to, if I think about sustainability, I think sustainability is growth without compromising our planet's resources so that future generations can meet their needs. Sustain even years involves taking action now to enable the future for the environment and living conditions that predicted and enhanced. Though Aaron design should incorporate several at once aerodynamics and propulsion technology. As it is, advance health monitoring systems. So that aircraft operated at optimal activity efficiencies. Efficient, reliable, and ubiquitous aviation communication systems will provide connectivity to improve operational performance. These include it may be liquid filled, natural gas, hydro, then with their battery, low energy nuclear boundary layer. In addition, foil barn and energy consumption optimization. I can excellent Chanel. I think it's really relatively straightforward to envision sustainability regarding our impact on the environment. Beard admission to be at the air, beard the water or anything like that. But are there any other ways you look at it? How should we view sustainability in aviation beyond just that, right? So it's really easy, at least, that it's really easy to envision sustainability in terms of its environmental impact and how we might mitigate those, like you've said. But as a researcher, I also think of sustainability as more as maybe even survivability of whatever technology that we've developed. So from a technological standpoint, we might think about the maintainability of whatever products we developed, their ability to recover in the event of a fault. We might also think about a societal aspect to sustainability, such as ease of access, for example, to the OEM system, or reducing noise pollution. Talking about efficiency and fairness of operations within the UN system. Even talking about profit. Because at the end of the day, all of these considerations combined holistically to allow the whatever measure or whatever product that we're developing to continue to exist and to continue to serve us to better our quality of life. So I don't think it's just a discussion on the environment, but also taking into account all of these other factors as we go forward, Right Right now, that's an excellent point. Talk. Similar. They do. Do you agree with the proposed that it's beyond that? It's almost economics. And from your presentation, we talked a little bit about the economic advantages to your technologies and how to go forward. But do you see the similar concept which are now mentioned there that economics and other components really are under the sustainability umbrella and how that can help us rate. So I really like what she had to say. I mean, we can have the best solution in the world for anything. But if we can push that through, if we can't maintain that to help the society and the environment and all aspects. It's, it's not a solution that's going to be CTO for sustainable. So yeah, it is very important to be able to, to maintain and keep going and push forward with technology to be able to help every aspect of the world, not just to be green, but also economically, so and so on and so forth. Right? It's, it is all view of touched on in one component or other in your presentation. It's, it's really the interconnected system. Systems, if you will, that is going to lead us to these, that these solutions to these ultimate challenges that we're talking about and that even that, that palmar already mentioned this morning, the ultimate challenge of sustainability and the continuation of the planet. So, so as I, as I think more about it and z in it, if, if you think about how Alice can any of these efforts and sustainability of aviation, How would they benefit the community? Not just the aviation industry, but some. The community or what happens in society could happen. Efforts we all do, and the sustainability of aviation benefit the greater good of society. I think the air transport sector. It employs a million of people and supports million to indicted and induced employment. It is an integral part of the world's largest industry, travel and tourism. And the sector also offers significant education and specialized training opportunities for young people. Empowerment of women, if another success story where the number of female failures that are written d by d. Also scaling up existing sustainable transportation technologies, then open the door to high level jobs and drive long-term sustained economic growth. I can it allows people to have adventures this new countries to relax and tropical beaches to be a big lift addition to his uncle needs it. You really had me a tropical beaches, but the rescue as excellent. It's, it is something larger and I think it's a testament to not only would our industry can do, but what, what you all can do of current students, but really about to jump into the workforce and drive some of these changes for all of us in new day. Again, similar, similar question. How can you see the work that you, your peers, your entire generation of peers that enter and aviation, How can it, or how should it impacts society in a positive way. So I completely agree with Gina. So it's like creating a lot of employment possibility for I mean, a lot of people. And that's I mean, that's a good thing. And also there's a lot of other aspects that we can talk about, like the collaborations with different researchers of different ideologies to develop this scientific technologies or like in terms of any, anything like in terms of the aerospace. So there are a lot of other researchers doing a lot of other research projects on and on around the world. And that would be a lot of collaborations with them that there's a mutual idea shading way we can even get this better in terms of the aerospace. Absolutely. So now we've talked a lot about obviously aviation and the each part of your projects and how there's a sustainability linked to that. But personally, let, let me dig a little bit in person. What types of sustainability topics are you interested in? And how does the work that nasa is recharging really inspire you to want to learn more, even if it's not in your specific field of expertise. Okay. Personally, I'm an academic and work level. The idea of sustainability that had been pursuing and keeping in mind as I develop new paradigms, is essentially this idea of allowing or developing technology on a readiness level that would allow it to integrate into future readiness levels or future maturity levels. Does that make sense? Okay. Yeah, it's not just designing for our current system, but designing in a way that would allow it to be maintainable and be even upgraded to different and improving levels of autonomy and maturity within whatever system or construct that we have. That will go on. So we don't have to at some point later on in the future, step back and say, Okay, this doesn't work anymore. And then we have to go back through the process of redefining what the new goals are or redefining technology. And that essentially would have us incur costs that would have possibly been mitigated how we thought of this beforehand. So that's why I'm on that from a work standpoint. I love that. I love the way in it well makes my mind think. It makes my mind think of, of not only flashback, but then flash forward. Anytime there's been technological developments, societal development, it's rarely a leap that goes a 100 years in the future. It's static, it their brand. So you mentioned that the steps today we're looking at what will then enable two to three iterations beyond. So I can put it in the context of my research. Sounds specifically designing for the UAN system and even more specifically the UML level. So essentially the urban air mobility maturity level, Lord, that is designed by the current nasa CONOPS, right? Within that UML level, we're not looking at fully autonomous operation just yet. There are different levels, varying levels of autonomy. So some you am vehicles may be piloted manually. Some may have, maybe, I would say like 50 percent autonomy levels and so forth. But when we're designing whatever, for example, whatever control protocol with respect to cybersecurity, we want it to have this be able to be upgraded and updated in the future for fully autonomous operation. So that's what currently my mindset is within the project that I'm considering on a broader level. I think it's important outside of aviation, within aviation to keep this in mind going forward, because technology is not, we don't want to stagnate at any point as a part of sustainability is enabling us to continue moving forward. I'm envisioning forward. I love that definition. I love that definition of sustainability connection of not, not allowing your technology development to stagnate. It's an interesting view of it and it's something that's refreshing. And I think we, we need to look more at that. If I leaned you a little bit, when you think about that, that philosophy itself or are the question I did ashen. Now, when you think of the work you're doing, 123 iterations later, what doors do you think and open to that? Open up that we can only just sort of dream of. Now, your current work is getting real data to prove that this thing can be working. But what couple of steps down the road, what, what can you envision as well? So I like to think this technology right now were developed for aerospace. And I liked idea of airy or air flight. Every vacation that I want to take or every business that I take has a smaller impact. But on a grand scheme of things, I'd also like this technology to really trickle down to the consumer level, really where I would like my car to be, you know, two or three, it has more efficient because we all drive in the United States and the individual contributions, the sum total it is, can be a very big impact. And from a material spec, perspective, the novel, the hot, the high-performance, though strongest, always gets used for industries like aviation. And eventually it trickles down to the consumer level. To me, from my perspective. Right now, I like to see that progress towards the individual impact. If we all are more efficient, that will make everything more from an a, a, U standpoint. You know, what, we're going to be all less of a burden on, on Earth and their environment. And on each other. They weren't being I was a 1D. We shall apply. Yes. That'll be nice to, right? Absolutely. But I mean, these are great points when you talk about it. It brings to mind, and I was having a conversation a week or so ago with a couple of folks and it was sort of that existential conversation, but I want to add a new day. Let me go to you. Why do you what do you personally think? You'll hear? A lot of times you were a lot of times the impact aviation has to environment the environment and it's it's not as large as other industries. I mean, there's an impact and we're all working on it. But why do you personally think it's important to continue to focus on sustainability for aviation when aviation might not be the prime contributor to reducing environmental impacts. So in my personal opinion, contribution is something that has to be considered in every aspect. It's not like we can be a major thing, like a minor thing, but each delay contribution. So we should always consider this aspect of sustainability Ph-like even off by minor contribution. So when you talk about aerospace, we are not only having only the environmental impact, we also have these economic girl and also the effect on the society. So obviously we have to think and what's the standard when it comes to aviation, even if it is often minor contribution, right? Right. Absolutely. Zane, It's similar thoughts. Did you agree to some of the things you've been hearing from mute or unmute, taka and shower. Do you take a little different approach to it? I agree with them and I want to add something that everyone, if you need to travel long distances, the only practical form of transport in our busy lives. And PR can go for credit events where people are harmed and need rapid-acting. In addition, the logical transportation vehicle I can to maintain a healthy society and the economy, we definitely need aviation sustainability. I agree. And let me, let me throw the, the, the, uh, good question here, almost like the quick response feedback from everybody here, but we keep talking about it. I opened with this and tried to draw you deviation, but step out of your stuff, out your classroom stuff out of your research, step out of it and just, just be, just be that the human being, it's hard. Sometimes morale were all clustered into our jobs, our students, but we're all people. So when I ask you and we're really interested for years, so, so exciting and enthusiasts, again, intelligent, but what do you think is sustainability? What's the first thing that comes to mind that we need to think about for 50 years out. I can keep it secret and straightforward. So we just want to maintain the same quality of living even in future and even for the future generations without getting compromising on that drive off innovation and creating new technologies. Excellent. Chanel. I don't know if that's a very big question for me. We're going to have to think about it a little bit more. I guess the first thing that came to mind when you said that was in the future. What I write is I'm working on right now, I don't want my kids grandkids, great grandkids, great, great, great grandkids. So B, essentially have to redesign everything I have to do. You know what I mean? It's not just maintaining the quality of light we have so far is that the push it beyond the current boundaries to keep advancing and not have to revisit some of the same mistakes that we previously did. You lie Human, my human perspective on that. Let's learn from history. Excellent. Xena, same question. I think we can also think that efficiency of communication system, that the system can maximize efficiency so that we can use the smallest power guerrilla to reliably can be missed this I think that this will help people for airport link reliability and latency requirement in future. Taka, you have to have a good one. I gave you most time to think about it. I've been trying to get out of my materials mindset, but I still can't get away from optimize resource utilization and minimization of waste. And I feel like that encapsulates all of it. I'm sorry, and I can get out and be a human. But it's really important. But not just at the, you know, it's all about and, you know, the resources or materials. But energy rate, how much energy does it take to make something? And then how much energy savings can you gain out of making a better material? And then ultimately, what do we do with that at the end of life? And can we really utilized that? Can we recycle everything? Oftentimes, one of the weird things that I have is that I run into is, is I look at my my Recycle Bin and in any kind of trash I might have. And I wonder what this technically can't be recycled. This technically can't be recycled, but my local government doesn't recycle is at, and it's a, it's a cost, right? Cost and resource issue of yes, all of this can be recycled. Is it worth it? Right now? It's not. How about in 50 years? How about a 100 years when all of this is in in, in landfills? Is it worth it then? That's a it's really hard. It costs more, but long-term. Or it may cost us more than. So. That's what I think sustainability, yeah, it is changing the perspective, isn't it? It's changing the perspective of what, what, what current state is, what future say costing will be. That's why I love that. You all brought up something other than well, it says May green aviation. Its, you've talked about the economy, You talked about society, you've talked about the impacts. You've talked about the challenges because these aren't easy or they've been solved, but we need people to drive end-to-end. I love you, bring that energy and thought to it. This morning in there, in our, in our keynote, we heard we hear Pam and Steve discuss as they were talking about some of the efforts that are going on with with Nansen, some of our explains and say the low boom and, or even hyper, hyper speed work. I can get to Tokyo and New York and four hours, no, how about 45 minutes? And and some of the themes I heard there were regarding conductivity. And they were bringing it from connectivity probably of structures, of economic systems, of businesses. But I want to ask all of you about the connectivity of people. Connecting to other people outside of our neighborhoods, outside of our universities, outside of where we grow, how important is connecting with others around the globe to the success and the viability of the sustainability of our planet. Let me go to day first. So I thing that you and I initiated from nasa is really a good thought for getting all of the people are interconnected. I mean, the people who are having lack minded or unlike the same ideology in terms of aviation, I mean sustainability and aviation. And I think it's really good that we have. It's being exchanged of developing this and getting sustainability a major aspect in aviation industry. So I think it's really a great taught and it's like really good exposure with other people and exchanging of the ideologies either back is like a good step in, I mean, from the nasa in don'ts of you and I, right? No, absolutely. Seen it. How do you see the connectivity and making it a smaller world that we can interchange and how can that benefit the strive and drive towards sustainability? What I'll cool. We who gobble thing. We can learn more MOD about sustainability. How we can change the world, how we will not effect the future. Fbx or future king, which is harmful for people. You can learn about it. So if you learn about this together, then we can come to know how it would work. So I can say good luck from that. We got that. Excellent. Now, do you see the benefit to you? I would assume of working together, sharing ideas, of sharing ideas of people that don't have the same perspective or mindset of you, right? Exactly. I'm going to try and say there's learn more about a global scale. Because I realized within COVID, it really brought home how much aviation connects us around the world. All of a sudden the world when like got significantly larger. So when it came to transport people, transport of goods, countries that were engaged in specialization of certain goods. You could see that their GDP dropped during that time, yeah. And then the goods and services that we're accustomed to getting out of certain, at a certain price went up. And so all of that connectivity of people, connectivity of economies, connectivity of countries and nationalities, diversity of goods and services and opinions all kind of come together to drive our global GDP. Our quality of life as people. And aviation really plays a big factor in enabling all of that. Yeah, and I love that. You hear and read a lot of the components about UAN and the emergence of UAN and how will that expand to underserved communities? So let me just talk, uh, let me ask you, how do you think you am or any of the components to the newer next wave of aviation, How would that helped to bring in underserved communities, underserved populations, underserved components of our society. So I was the, I was actually thinking more rural and really connecting. You know, I've been watching some companies really looking into how we serve the role, hard-to-reach areas and aviation. Being, you know, being able to deploy longer range drones and really being able to help with accessibility. That, that was actually what keeps coming to mind. Maybe, maybe just because of what I've been watching and being able to say if I leave or someone lives in, in, you know, parts of Alaska, it's very difficult to say, get an Amazon Prime to deliver something the next day or the day after. And some of the, or when something natural disaster hits and need supplies. I forget who mentioned it before, but that, you know, having this be more accessible, aviation, being more accessible more. And having these BI solutions really well ultimately seems to me the ultimate good. I'm sorry if I didn't answer your question. That's kind of, you know, in my mind lately about in context. Oh, absolutely. And that was part of it. I AS a very large question and we did here that this morning as well too. And because because I've looked at a lot of that and some of the work I've had the pleasure of working on in the past, talking about for medical rescue where attentiveness at a rural community. If you get, if you get a serious injuries in a metropolitan area, there's usually wonderful hospitals and our nation and around the world. You're in the rural. How do you get access to great doctors? And so that, that's another component of what you said. There's I think that's great. Chanel Thompson now I'm going to give you the last one. So I'll wind up and throw an anti here. I know you're ready for it. Talk to me. What inspires you? What inspires you about your future, the future of everyone you see here, and your impact you can make to the sustainability of society. I, I'm going to bring in your previous question to answer this question. Because at the end of the day, whatever I work on, whatever I develop needs to be able to impact society across all levels and across all equities. As the idea is that if I can develop more efficient systems, more sustainable systems, we drive up that factor. Then we drive down the cost of developing these and the cost of accessing these. And so people in more underserved communities would be able to access this type of technology or this, these services. And to be able to, to spread that rather more equitable distribution of this services within aviation to help these communities financially. As well as I didn't know in all, in all aspects of life really, right? Right. Yeah. I mean, that is inspiring, that it would clearly inspires you. And a lot of the folks here. Boy, this is a wonderful kind of conversation that I know could go on a lot longer. We're up against it. I get in a lot of trouble if I blow our timeline for this, but maybe we we asked everybody to step aside. We I'll just keep talking for awhile. This is, this is wonderful. I really want to personally thank all of you, all of the students that participate on this panel C, Not. So now, taka, a new day. Thank you so much for your ideas, your passion, your work in this field, in the field of aviation. Good luck to you in the rest of your educational pursuits. We hope and we know will run into you again soon. And so thank you very much, all of you. Thank you for having us. Thank you for having us. Yeah. Well, this seems like a great time to take a break. We've all been inspired. I think we can take a little bit of a break to stretch and, and reflect on our inspiration from this conversation, the ones we've had today. So why don't we take a brief pause, come back promptly 40 minutes past the hour for an inspiring talk from our special guest, Adam, ruin them. Ruben, thank you all. We hope you are enjoying it so far. Anyone know you enjoy the rest of the day. Thank you. And we'll be back with you soon for more of imagined aviation.
ImaginAviation - Student Sustainability Roundtable: Imagining a Greener Future
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