- Hi, I'm Sarah Baker Andrus, assistant director for Lerner Career Services. If you are a current graduate student at the Lerner College of Business and Economics, or an alumni of one of Lerner's undergraduate programs, I'm here to help you find your next great career move. I hope the following workshop is useful in your job search. If you have any questions, or need more information, please reach out. You can schedule an in-person, or virtual appointment, with me through Handshake. If you have any ideas for future workshops, or topics, you'd like to see us cover in this format, please let me know. Thank you, and enjoy the workshop. - Hello and welcome. We're really excited that, this is, I think, the first graduate internship orientation, that we have done here at Lerner. So, what our goal is, for today, is that by the time that you guys leave, you'll have a very good understanding of what this program is all about, whether you're qualified, etc. But first, I wanted to tell you a little bit about me. Since we don't know one another, and I am new to Lerner, I'm the new Assistant Director of Career Services. I'm responsible for the MBA and graduate programs, here in the business school, for serving students like you. As well as, alumni. And I have spent, my full career involved in everybody else's career. So, what that means is, is that I have, I'm a career coach, I have been doing that for a number of years, and that's my professional training and education, to be a career coach. I also, have led recruiting teams, so I have worked in recruiting within corporate organizations, and I have been a hiring manager, myself. So, the thing that I'm most excited about, is getting back to serving students like you, which is where I began, and being new to UD, I'm especially glad that Jill Pante, our Director of Career Services, is here, because when we get to the Q and A, if there's any questions that I can't answer for you, hopefully, Jill will be able to do that. So, I don't know you guys well, but the one thing that I do know, is that if you're here, you're interested in finding a job, and preferably, a graduate internship. So, that's one thing that we can all agree on, so let's just get into the details of what we're going to cover. We're going to talk about the benefits of the graduate internship program. We're gonna talk about the qualifications. Are you qualified? The typical opportunities, what you could expect, as a graduate intern, how the jobs are posted, and how to read job postings. We're actually going to look at some job postings. I'm going to walk you through that to know how to read them. And, how to apply, and increase your chances for an interview, because applying isn't what you want. You don't want to sit there and apply, apply, apply. You actually want to get a chance to get in front of people. So, we're gonna talk about how to do that. And we're going to talk about your responsibilities as a graduate internship student, as well. One second, I'm gonna mute. We have some listeners, here, and-- If you're listening on-line, could you please mute yourself with the little microphone icon at the bottom? Thank you. Okay. So what are the benefits to the graduate internship program? First of all, there is, the obvious benefit of on the job experience. We have leading companies here in Delaware and Pennsylvania, and elsewhere, that are interested in working with talented, young people like you. And it's a great experience to actually go out, and get the hands on application of what you're learning in the classroom, and there is a $9500 stipend that comes with this, and a 50% tuition break. And Fall of this year, so Fall of 2019, that will go up to $10,000. So, that, but for the summer, it's still $9500, just to be clear. Another benefit of being a graduate intern through Lerner, is the networking, and the professional development. Now, where this comes in line, is once you are in an actual graduate intern position, you have the chance to network with all of your colleagues, in the organization that you're working at, and you also have the chance for some professional development, and these are the people who really going to be your champions, and perhaps become advocates for you, as you move on past graduate school, into a full time career. So, that's a tremendous benefit. And of course, it looks great on a resume. Now the question you should be asking yourself right now, is are you qualified for the program? So, let's review that. First of all, you have to be a full-time grad student, here at a Lerner. You have to maintain a 3.0 average, a three point average. You need to, if your are an international student, you need to have completed, your first year of study. So what does that mean? That means, if you are an international student, you need to have completed the fall and the spring semester, or if you started in the spring, you have to complete the spring, and this is full-time study, so usually the spring, and the fall semesters. Is everybody with me? Now, the exception to that, is if you find a role on campus. So, if you find a role on campus, for the summer, and you just started this spring, you are still qualified to be a graduate intern for that particular role. And some of the graduate internship opportunities, about, you know, my new job in, some of them are off-campus and some of them are on-campus. So, you'll see a variety. We have quite a bit of, departments here at the University of Delaware, where they are just doing some really cool work, and they need some enhancement from our students. We also have some incredible companies off-site. You know, like Siegfried, and you know, Triple A Mid-Atlantic, and Sallie Mae. So, there are a lot of, on-campus and off-campus, so we always recommend for our international students, you know, to make sure that you're checking, and I know Sarah will go over that, because I know, it's sort of drilled into you that you're not eligible to work until like, you know, nine months afterwards, but if it's on campus, we can work with you. - Thank you, Jill, yeah. And, another think to consider, is that, if you accept a graduate intern position, you forfeit any other scholarship you may have. So for example, if you're currently carrying an academic scholarship, and you decide that you are going to accept a graduate internship, that academic scholarship is no longer yours. So it's either, or, not both. So that's something to keep in mind. And, for repeat assignments, let's say that you're working for an employer, like Christiana Care, which is where some of our graduate interns are working right now. If you work there for several semesters, each semester you have to have a successful performance assessment. So, that, they're saying, yes, we want you back. And its, you gotta maintain solid performance while you're there, and if you are presently a graduate assistant, for a teaching assistant, are any of you, presently? Okay, so, you and you. So, in your case, if you decide to go for an external role, you need to let your current supervisor you know, that you're interested in making a move for the next semester. This is terribly important, because many of you, in your roles, are working in critical positions, that the faculty or the department, is relying on you for your work. We wanna make sure that we can get a substitute, or replacement in for you. So that all has to be coordinated. All right. Let's talk a little bit about the timeline. This is the timeline. You can apply for graduate internship any semester, fall, spring or summer. The interviews generally start, well, really early, so just as an example, we already have, I think, three graduate assistant-ships, posted for the summer, and I've just gotten two more. So, you want to be looking at these carefully, and you want to be applying early, they're really interested in getting the candidates in early, getting everything lined up, because this a chance to take care of paperwork, very important. And usually, these are the general dates, but I do want to point out that the exact dates are negotiated between you, and your hiring manager. So, let's say, June 1st, is a Saturday, obviously you're not going to be starting on a Saturday. Just as an example, you have some vacation plans, and that's something that you can discuss with your manager. Joy, can you close that door, please? Okay, thank you. - You're working inside as well? - By the way, if you're on-line, would you please mute yourself? That we can here you, or I can hear you at least. And this is being recorded. Thank you very much, okay. Great. So, the next thing we're going to talk about, is what a typical role might look like. It's generally speaking, during the fall and spring semesters, it's going to be 20 hours a week. During the summer, it's 30 to 40 hours a week, depending on the needs of the employer. And some typical positions that, you might be looking at, are financial analysts, accounting, MIS, information systems, operations, marketing, things of that nature, and sometimes it's a combination, too. So, sometimes an employer is looking at a combination of those skills, and you really will find out more about that, as you look at the job descriptions, which is the next thing I'm going to get into. All right, so, how do we identify opportunities? Unlike other jobs, the only way you can find out about graduate internships through the University of Delaware, is on Handshake, okay? So, you're gonna search on graduate internship, and I'm actually gonna walk you through this, so this is just some general instructions. But, that's what you're going to put in that search bar, on Handshake, and then if it's not on Handshake, if the job is not on Handshake, it might say graduate interns. Let's say if you go out to PNC bank, and your look under career website. And, you see, oh, graduate intern. That is not this program. All the benefits we covered, everything I discussed, the stipend, the scholarship, all of that, only applies to University of Delaware graduate internship program jobs, and they are all listed on Handshake. I just wanna make sure that, that's clear. Now, why is that? That is because the employers, agreed to participate. So, Christiana Care, Sallie Mae, Big centra, Siegfried. All the companies that work with us, they pay us a fee, and the University of Delaware executes the program. So, you actually work for the University of Delaware. You are actually are paid by the University of Delaware, so you have to go through this formal program, to qualify. Let me show you exactly what that means. So here we have, four different graduate internships. If you slip at the top, in the search bar, you'll see I put in graduate internship. And the first three, are actual graduate internships. How do we know that? It's not just the job title. Look at who is listed under employer. Are you guys following that? The employer is the University of Delaware. Look at the last one. It says internship, graduates. Who's the employer? Intel. Not a graduate internship. Now, does that mean that you can't apply for that? No, of course, if you're interested, and you're qualified, apply for that. But just know, that is not the program that we're talking about today. - Now one thing, if I could add to this. - Please. - We have had students who have found an internship on their own. They have then spoken to the employer about our formal graduate internship program. We have then gotten on the phone with their supervisor, and they converted it into a graduate internship program. Okay, so that's something that you might want to think about so if Intel, you know, as you're talking to your supervisor, and say, hey, my school has this formal program, you know I can also get a half off of my tuition, you know, if I went through this program. Would you be, would you be willing to do that? We have done that with some companies. Some companies don't want to do that, and that's fine. Some companies are willing to have that conversation. So, that is just an additional thing that you can context there and eye about, about how to, hey, I got this great internship, it's not through your program, how do I approach the employer about a potential conversion. - And we can help you with that conversation. And as your employer, one of the reasons why I might want to do that, is because the University of Delaware will handle all matters having to do with your CPT, with your visa, all of that. They'll make sure that everything is going smoothly, and that your status is protected. So that matters to a lot of employers, and it should matter a lot to you, as well. All right, thank you, Jill. So how do you read a job posting? First of all, I can't stress this enough. They're really two kinds of job hunters in my opinion. All right, the first kind of job hunter applies for everything. And they are under a terrible misconception. A misunderstanding. They think the more jobs I apply for, the better chance I'll have. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is not a numbers game. The people who get the jobs, are the people who are selected. They're the people who know, first themselves, who am I? What are my all about? What are my skills? What do I have to contribute to a potential employer? What do I want to do? And the reason is, then you can really speak confidently to that. Your resume will reflect that. And you will have a greater opportunity to actually be invited in for an interview. An employer can tell if I posted a MIS job, and you are a marketing student, you're wasting my time. Right, you're also, by the way, wasting your time. Because it takes you time to apply for these jobs. Don't do that. Be selective. Pay attention to the key functions of the job. What are they looking for? And is that something that you feel like you can do? Is that something that you feel like you have the skills for? And as far as qualifications go, that leads me to the second type of job hunter. The first type applies for everything wildly. The second type rules themselves out before they even get started. Oh, I can't do that, oh, I can't do that. And if there's one thing they can't do, they don't apply. A good rule of thumb, is if you're qualified, 75% to 80% of the qualifications. And here's, also to really helpful to think about, what's in the manager's head. If I'm a hiring manager, and I'm looking for a candidate, I couldn't think about, I'm in pain somehow, something desperately needs to get done, or I wouldn't be spending my money and my time to bring in somebody, would I? Right? So, think about it from the manager's perspective. What is their paying point? And you could usually tell, by looking at the job description, what their need is. And if you approach it from that perspective, and you help, that you, present yourself as somebody that can solve their problem, then you're more likely, again, that interview, This making sense? All right, so now, we're going to look at an example, For those of you on line, Give me just a minute to stop at, to get to where I need to be. And then, hopefully I will share my screen again, and you will be able to see what's going on. Okay, so, this is the one. - Do you want to do this from a student view, because-- - And how do I do that? - I'll show you. Okay. - Go to your name, on the right hand side. And click on, switch users. And then, switch to student account. - Beautiful. Yup. - And then, (laughter) All right, well we'll look up, we'll go back, yeah. - Go click on your name again, and then you can switch back to career. - Ah, it bumped me. - Can I log in? Do you want me, I'm sorry. - Ah, it's okay, I'm logged in, over here. - Okay. - Why don't we do that, yeah. All right, so I'm gonna go to, well, we'll take the process from the beginning, then. Let me just share my screen with those of you on Zoom. Hang on. All right, and so I'm gonna go to Jobs. So, we're gonna take it-- - They don't see this. - They don't see it the way I see it? - No. - And now it's still prompting me. All right, you can sign it. - Yeah, I'm sorry. - That's okay. - There we go. Sorry about that. It will go-- Oh, cause you're on my computer. - Log you out, sign out. Okay. Thanks for your patience. - You know what, I can take you through, if you wanna-- - Go ahead. - You wanna do that? Okay. - All right, so let me switch over to Students. - Oh, no, no, I was gonna say, you can talk them through it, and I'll-- (cross-talk) - Yeah, yeah, great. - Okay. - Oh, and I wanna share my screens, so let's -- - Oh yeah, let's go ahead. - Hang on just a second. We're gonna stop the share, and do it again. I think that one right there. If you're online, please mute yourself, thank you. All right, and I'm just gonna put that up here, perfect. Okay, so this is what you see when you go on Handshake. And, Jill is gonna show you how from the beginning, we would find that, singular graduate internship, and I'll walk you through it. So, she's going to go to Jobs, and then she's going to type in the search bar. Well, you could go to Employer, but it, if we take it from the beginning of graduate internship, - Yeah, we can, okay. - So, in the search bar, graduate internship. - I spelled right side, - Or sip. (laughter) - Did I spell it right, there we go. - Okay, so if we scroll down, you can see these first few are not UD internships. All right, keep going. There it is. The summer 2019 Applied Controls internship. This is a company that has hired a number of UD interns, and it has converted those, several of those people into full-time employees. So, by the way, this particular opportunity, is expiring today at 4, I think, is that right, Jill? All right, so let's click in there. And, we want to note, that it says, the graduate internship, and let's go to, yeah, University of Delaware, let's go to jobs description. Okay, you'll notice in the job description, that, it says, it's part of the graduate internship program. I'm going to get back to that qualtrix reference a little bit later, but when we go to the job description, they've identified what this job is. Basically you're working with human machine learning. They're looking at the interface between machine learning and the automated process within industry. So, they're looking for people who have a combination of an engineering, undergraduate, or engineering computer science, math, something very technical, undergraduate, and this is analytics, in the graduate program. Okay, so if you're looking at this, as you're going through it, what I want to suggest is, read it and say, does that sound like fun? Does that sound like something I would be interested in doing? Does it sound like something I would qualify for? Are there too many things that I don't even understand or I can't relate to? So, you're asking yourself questions in your gut. As you look through it. And then, they helped you out by telling you what successful candidates will look like, right here. You do not want to apply, unless this is you, okay. Could you keep scrolling down, Jill? All right, so, yeah, I'm not familiar, yeah, okay, with this page, okay. We'll stop there, we'll stop there, and we'll go, back, to the slides. - Can I just show them one quick thing? - Please, yes. - One of the things that I would recommend for everyone here, is when you're under jobs, when you click on Jobs, and then you can actually search the employer. So this program is an employer, in Handshake. So if you search on the employers, by graduate internship, you will see, we are listed right there. And, you have this little star button, that you can favorite. I would recommend everyone, do you favorite, yeah, I would recommend everyone favor, is that the right word? Favor, favorite, me? - Yeah, it's a verb. (laughter) - Also as an employer. Because then, when we add something to it, you get a notification. So that would be the, my, my, my, just real quick tip for that, before going back to the slides. So just make sure do that under employers. - Thank you. Yup. - So if you are an international student, which I know most of you are, when you are looking an Handshake, every job posting is gonna have, this qualifications box, at the bottom. And there, every employer says it, a little bit differently. If it says U.S. work authorization is required by the employers willing to sponsor candidates, go ahead and apply. If it says, U.S. work authorization is required, but the employer is accepting OPT and CPT, two thumbs up, go ahead and apply. Now, hang on. Now, if you are an international student, and the qualifications says, U.S. work authorization is required, you are not qualified. Even if you're thinking, oh, but I can do CPT. Oh, but I can do OPT. No. Those jobs require you to actually have authorization to work in the United States, which means you are not a student, you have a H1B visa, or you're a permanent resident, okay. Now, this is the fun part. Because this is where we get to dig into how to apply. And really, the most important thing, is your resume, at this stage of the game. So, you want to, make an appointment with me, or one of my colleagues, and get your resume reviewed. And I know that I have done that for some of you. Happy to do that for everybody in the room. This is my job, this is what I want to do to help you out. Let's make sure your resume does the best job possible, by putting your skills forward, so as a hiring manager, if I look at the page, I go, yes, you're the one I want to hire, right. So, you also want the resume to be targeted to the job. So for each position you're applying for, you may want to tweak the resume a bit. And if you tweak it, and you want me to look at it again, I'll look at it again, and say, yes, I think that, that suits that job, I think you done a good job, or I'll show you, maybe a few tweaks that you can use, to improve the resume. The other thing that a lot of students neglect, and I really want to encourage you to include, is your cover letter. Because the resume can only say so much about you. The cover letter is really where you can shine as an individual, where you can tell them why you're interested in that specific company. Where you can include, perhaps a personal referral that you might know. You know, my friend, who also is a UD blue pen, had suggested or encouraged me to apply for the job. So, that cover letter, the best way to do this, in my experience, is to save your cover letter, and your resume, get a single PDF, and that's what you should upload to Handshake, because that way your cover letter will never get separated from your resume, and you can be sure that the hiring manager will be reading your cover letter, or at least have your cover letter, if they don't read it. Now, that just reminds me of a little tidbit. Some graduate student research scientists timed how long most hiring managers and recruiters look at resumes, it's seven seconds. Seven seconds. So make sure that your cover letter is on point. We have some great templates upstairs that can help you write a good cover letter, and I'm happy to look at your cover letter. But you don't want to include so much information that you are going to overwhelm the recruiter, and they're just gonna say, I don't have time for that. And, you're gonna apply through Handshake, or if the posting might have other instructions, you might follow those other instructions. Now, on Handshake, there's a note here, that you have to upload, you have to complete a Qualtrex survey in order to apply. This is on every single graduate internship application. If you don't do it, you can't apply. If we find out that you applied, which we will, cause we always know, without completing that, then, we'll withdraw your application. This helps us help you. Because if you're not qualified, you can put your status, in the U.S. at risk, so this helps us protect you. So let's say you've applied, and your waiting. Is anybody familiar with this? You're waiting, you're checking your phone, and you're like, nothing. Dead air. Where are these guys? I applied for all these jobs. Why did I not hear anything? I think the current term is ghosted. You feel like you've been ghosted, right? So what's that all about? There's some really good information about why you don't hear back, if all you do is apply. So I'm gonna give you a little bit of an inside scoop here. The people who hear back are the people who are networking. So this research is from Linkedin. Linkedin is a networking platform. So they wanted to find out, they asked all of their members if you got a new job in 2017, did you get it by applying on line, or did you get it through your networking efforts, or your personal referrals, somebody you knew. And these are the statistics, right? So, I don't know about you, but I wanna be in the 85%. Right, 85% of people who actually found new work, used their network. Now you may be thinking, I am not from Delaware, I don't know anybody, I don't have a network, but you do, because you're here at the University of Delaware. So, the first friend you have, is Linkedin. When you go on Linkedin, and you know that you've applied for a job, at that last one we looked at, Applied Control Engineering. You've applied, you're a good candidate. You would go on Linkedin, type in Applied Control Engineering, and as long as you have University of Delaware in your Linkedin profile, as long as you have told Linkedin you're a student here, It will tell you how many alumni at Applied Control Engineering, are from UD, who are the other blue hens. You can actually click on that, and look at the list of the blue hens. And then, you can write a really nice email, saying, I'm also a blue hen, I'm in the MBA program, I'd love to chat with you, not about getting a job, I'd love to chat with you about what it's like to work at Applied Control Engineering. And that's what the conversation is about. How do they like it? How do did they get their job? What do they wish they knew, before they started working there? And you can do that through Linkedin, you can do that also, there's a sight called Careershift, where you can find emails of people if you have their names. Let's say, oh, you talk to me, and I say I know there's an alum who works at Applied Control Engineering, but, I don't have his contact information. On Careershift, you can actually find what's called the email protocol, which might be first name, dot, last name at Applied Control Engineering, or it might be first initial, last name. And you could take a good guess, and you can email. Same email, I'd just love to chat with you about what it's like to work there. Alumni also is a wonderful resource. I'm not going to go into this in detail, but there's a program called UD Can, where you can connect with other alumni, and you can also just ask people like Jill and I. Who do you know who works there? The key in these conversations, is that, it should not be really transactional. What I mean by that is, your not reaching out to me, and saying, hey, Sarah, I just applied for a job, can you help me get it? You're looking at me as somebody who can really help you, make the personal connections because it's about relationships. So let's say you've applied, you reached out to me. I work at Applied Control Engineering. And we have a chat about what it's like to work there. How I got my job, What my background is. And then, three or four weeks later, you can send me an email and say, hey, I just saw this article that I thought you would be interested in. I hope you are doing well. I wonder if you'd take a look at my resume, and tell me what you think. Again, you're keeping it social, you're keeping it relationship, you're staying in touch. You can let them know I've applied, do you have any advice? Which is different than, I've applied, can you help me get the job? Yes, Jill? - One of the things that I think just sort of emphasizing what Sarah had mentioned, and is, with positions through the graduate internship program. The communication really should stay with us. Your welcomed, like, we actually have a wall map at Applied Controls, reach out them. Figure out what is it like to work there. What different tips can they give you? But don't be asking them, I've applied for the graduate internship, get me the job, and hire me. That actually is gonna put you in a negative light. And then, they're gonna come to us, and say, why are your students reaching out to me, when I'm supposed to go through you. - You have distinction. - You have to follow the process through the graduate internship program. This is great, you know, for a lot, do this with every, you know, the hub. - Generally. - I think I said, it's, some of these companies that we have there, you guys already might be networked in. Like you might know somebody at Siegfried. Absolutely, reach out to them! Talk to them! Have a conversation. But don't talk, but don't tell them, hey, I applied for graduate internship program there, make sure your hiring manager interviews me. Okay, so we don't wanna, we don't want to hinder that relationship. - It actually will make you look bad. And, they're less likely to consider you as a candidate, cause they'll think that you don't understand the norms, the professional norms. - And that's why we're keeping it about relationships. Not about hiring. Cause when you say hire me, I sort of get like, whoa, why are you, I don't know you, yet. - Thank you. - No, I just wanted to add-- - We're going to ask you to hold questions till the end. And we're almost there, last slide. - All right, so, let's say it's great news, and you got the offer, then what? Well first of all you need to make sure, if the employers should be going through us. But if for any reason, they reach out to you first, you've got to keep us in the loop, or nothing will happen the way it's supposed to. Also, nothing is confirmed, until an employer signs a letter of intent. So, that's what we're waiting for, is that letter of intent, and Jill and I manage that process. Once we know that somebody's getting an offer, we will make sure the employer completes the letter of intent, and then you also will sign a letter of intent. Also, if you are international, you're doing CPT, then you're gonna get registered for this course, pass/fail, I teach it, there's no work in it. And you get refunded that tuition after the semester. But that makes sure that, you're fulfilling the requirements of CPT, because that's curriculum practical training. And we will process your paperwork for employment, and pay, again, we are the employer, so we just ask you to please be patient, it's a process, and it takes sometimes onboarding takes a while, that's why I cannot emphasize enough that we want to get started early with all of this. The sooner you get started, the sooner you get your applications in, the sooner you will get your offer, and then the more timely everything will be from. There. - And I, like I get all emphasize the be patient. And here's the other thing that you don't wanna do, if you applied, if you got the graduate internship, all questions should go through Sarah, not five other people on campus that have no clue what you're talking about. We get that a lot from students. From the application, to the interview, to the offer. Everything should be coming through Sarah. All of your communication. - And the reason for that-- - Don't email Mary Martin, don't email Amy Estee, like don't email Roma. They're all gonna be like, well, you need to talk to Sarah. So make sure you're not emailing 15 people on campus. - The other thing that I would add to that is, make sure you're getting your information from reliable sources. - Yeah, I forget that. - Your friends are not reliable sources for this program. Even somebody who's been through it before, is a poor source of information for what the program is today, right? So I can't emphasize that enough, if you have questions, if you want reliable, accurate information, career services is your resource. And now, we have, I have a hard stop at one o'clock, but we have 20 minutes for Q & A, and Jill is here, in case there are any questions, that I can't answer. I'm going to go with Yogish, because he raised his hand, first there. (crosstalk) - I have been to a couple of interviews, and one to (muffled speech) Electric. Is it good to ask for the feedback, to like manager-- - Ask me, yes, it is very good and ask me. Because I will be in a much better position to call the employer, and say, is there any feedback you have for Yogish? What might he do better if he's continuing to look. - A lot of times the HR person may not be able to give you direct feedback. They might have internal policies where they can't, so that's why go through Sarah. Yup, it's the trick question, though, yes. - Sorry, I can't use (muffled speech), - That's okay. - Can you give me your email address, so I can just do comments? - So, everybody can have my email address, absolutely. It's Sarah, S, A, R, A, H. (crosstalk) Here, we go, I've got it. - These markers are the worse in here. - They are. (laughter) - Do you wanna try, is there a better one down there, a black one, maybe? - Green. - Green, let's try green. Much better, here we go. Okay, all right, next question. - Isn't there a graduate internship opportunities over the summer as well, but the hours are different? - Yes, they are. - Do you, does the 50% tuition wavers, still apply for the summer? - Yes. - Okay, so you can still take classes as well, over the summer? - Yes. Absolutely. Good question. - And the length of time during the summer is shorter. You know, so, a lot of times it turns out, and so, you know, to be around, you know, ten to 12 weeks, as opposed to 16 weeks during the semester, for the summertime, so, yeah. - Figured. - More questions? (muffled response) - The zoom? Thank you, Sergio. - Did you have another question, Yourish? - Yeah, go ahead. - Going back to the same question, which is, say I if I go to the interview, and I get elected for the particular position, I work on my skills, say take me to other skills, for to, the other soft skills, and, is that your prime indictive, the post time, and sever my chances of being, getting them to endorse the second time? Subject like something away? All post screening the negative line? - Because you didn't get accepted to the first time? I think it depends on how you manage the not getting accepted. I think if you follow up, and say, and maybe with a note, that says it was really a pleasure to be considered for this opportunity, I hope that if anything else comes up down the road, maybe you'll think of me, and then if something else comes back up, you can apply again, I don't think there's any harm in your cover letter, you should probably reference, that you've applied previously, and you remain interested in the company, as a perspective employer. Yeah, I don't see any downside to that. I'm gonna invite our Zoom folks to ask any questions they may have. I apologize for the rocky Powerpoint, there for you guys. I hope you captured most of it. Any questions, here on line? - I have a question, can I go ahead with it. - Yes you can, I'll repeat it, go ahead. Yeah, during summer, you're taking on this graduate intern position, some courses as well? - Yes, the question was, during summer, if you're working as a graduate intern, can you also take classes? And, we had that question here, and the answer is yes, and you will get your 50% tuition. - And you may just want-- - One second, one second, please. Go ahead, Jill. - I would just say, you may want to also, you know, if it's an on-campus class, you may have, if that cuts into your work hours or something, you're gonna have to talk to your employer about. If it's an on-line course, then, I mean, that's obviously shouldn't be a problem. But, you know, if you have a set schedule to where you're working till five everyday, but your class starts at five, you know, don't just assume that the employer is gonna be fine with it. You need to really communicate with your supervisor, anything that is going to be taking you away from work during your agreed upon time. So, I do, we get those questions a lot, like do students get spring break? You know, do get students, get, you know, weeks of vacation during the summer, do students get, you know, the holiday. You don't. They consider you an employee. And so, but I feel like most employers are willing to work with you, they understand that you're a student. But you have to communicate and ask, not just assume. Okay, so just make sure, cause even if you come to us, and ask us, we're going to tell you, we don't know, go talk to your supervisor, okay. So just make sure that, you know, once you do get an opportunity, that you are always communicating, and not assuming you can do stuff because that's the student schedule. - Did you capture that? - Yes. Okay, good. Is this the same thing, during the regular semesters? The same core, with semester? - Yes. It's true, throughout the year, you can, in the regular semester, you're taking classes, and working 20 hours a week, you can do that as well. Let's give, see if somebody else needed the chance to ask a question here on Zoom. - I'm Che. - Hi, Che, yes. - So, I was gonna ask about, I checked online, and I still don't see those open appointments. - Oh, okay, so that topic is not what we're covering today, but feel free to email me personally. (muffled response) Okay, yes, any other questions? - I think you pretty much covered it for now, and if I have anything, I'll definitely shoot you an email. - Okay, terrific. Any other questions here in the room? - No, yes, Joy? - I applied for the research of Comkin, through this internship, and I already submit my resume. - Great! - If I want to add my cover letter, do I have the chance to make my cover letter? - That's a great question. - Yes, as long as it's before the deadline. Yes, you can, I don't know, and you'd have to do it in, I think we've set the job up, so only works accepting resumes, so if you want your, writing your cover letter, included, go by what Sarah had mentioned, and save it in one document, as your resume, and upload that. So, it's before the deadline, so you can withdraw your application, and then re-apply. And it doesn't matter when you apply, it's in alphabetical order. That's how we did the resumes, and that's how there sent to the employer, after we go through them, so, and I think it's alphabetical order by first name. You know, it's different how it's set up, so it doesn't matter if you're the first one to apply, or if you're the last one to apply, if you're qualified, they'll see your resume. - Okay, thank you, Jill. Anybody else have any questions? - All right, well-- - I think there is. - Oh, sorry. - So, how do, define who's qualified, who's not? I mean, is that decided by an outlier, or -- - Oh, what a great question. No, it's a human decision. (laughter) It's just humans decision. But I can tell you what my process is. First of all, rest assured, I've been doing this for a really, really long time. So, what I'm looking for, is to what degree, your specific qualifications match the qualifications that the employer has discussed with me. So, what you see is the job posting. What you don't see, and I've probably should have mentioned this, is that I'm having personal conversations with these employers, and I'm getting the chance to understand what they're looking for. And I'm gonna send them the candidates that I think best represent the program and meeting their needs, right? So, if there is, it's more an art than a science, I'll admit And I wish I had like some, ideally, you'd say, oh if you meet these benchmarks, then you will get an interview, or if you met, but the truth is, that, you have to be qualified for the job. You cannot get an interview if you are not qualified for the job. Now once you get an interview, then we can work with you to make sure you make the most of that interview, and you present yourself in the best possible light. In fact, we're having another workshop on March 15, that is called Mastering the Interview. And be just like this, we'll feed you again, and we'll spend a lot of time talking about how to succeed in the interview. - Do you mind if I add onto that, too? - Please. - When Sarah had mentioned that survey that you have to take That's also something we use in order to make sure that you are qualified for the position. So, if you're an international student, and you just started and you applied, there's questions in that survey that we're asking, that's gonna be a red flag for us. So, if you just started the program, and you're an international student, and this is an off-campus, you're not qualified. You can all, that you can have -- - It's your best candidate ever! - But you're not eligible to work off campus, yet. So, that's where we're cross-referencing a lot of different things. And that, one of the things that I've also found, too, I mean, really read that job description. I had students who tell me, well, you know, I know SAS, and I'm like, well, that was in the job description, but it wasn't in your resume. So how can I tell you actually know SAS. Okay, or SQL, or, you know, whatever the employer is saying. So, if we're reading that, I mean, we're literally taking the job description, putting it side-by-side, and your resume. If this is all about accounting, this job is all about accounting, and you start your resume with, I am a technology analyst. That has nothing to do with accounting. We may not read more. So, that's why you really got to edit your resume. - Yes? - For the internship survey, do I have to take it every time I apply always? Just one seems so fine. - Yes, I would do it every time. Just because if information changes, so I know that students will be doing a lot, and sometimes you may forget, wait, did I actually fill that out? Just do it, then we make sure, it will record the date when you did that, and when the job applied, or when the job expired, so say, you filled it out last fall, but you didn't fill it out again, and it says you filled in out in September, but this job that we're recruiting for was posted in February, that's six months that we, we don't know if anything's changed. So that's what, fill it out every time, just to be on the safe side. - Yes? - You mentioned that apply, when you filled, like, you meant 75% to 80% of the requirements, qualification itself, that some of them might say, this or that is preferred, so if I don't have that-- - Great question. If it just says preferred, and you meet all the other, most of the qualifications, 75% to 80% of the other qualifications, go ahead and apply. - Yes. - I have a question. Yes. - So, for the OBT, once you've done, let's say, fall and spring, then if you are looking for something for the summer, well you're going to be looking for that before the summer starts. But you'll be ineligible from the summer on, - Correct. - With OBT, so how's the timing there? - That's a great question. So, my understanding is, and I'll get you a more formal answer, we're actually going to be meeting with OSIS, shortly, but my understanding is, that you apply for your eligibility within two months of graduation. - Are you talking about graduation? - No graduation, just I'd come back earlier, it's longer than a year. - Oh, yeah. - So, once you've downed two semesters, then you're eligible for OBT, even though, - You haven't graduated. - The program is not over. - Well, why would you apply for your OBT, if you're still in school? - The OBT is just a post-graduation-- - Correct. - Okay, but to, the eligibility to work off campus, (cross talk) - CBT, sorry. (laughter) (cross talk) - So OBT is, yeah, for when you graduate. - Exactly. - CPT, yup, is what we, and we would enroll you, you can't use your CPT, unless you're in, a degree that requires you to internship, none of our master's programs have a requirement. Like hospitality, you have to, it's like 800 hours? - Correct. Right. None of our degrees here require you to do an internship. But, we enroll you in, BUAD864. That course requires you to do an internship. - Okay. - That's how we do it. - SPT. - Okay. - And that's why every international student-- Remember I mentioned this, enrolled in that house scale course, that's how we deal with it. - Okay, so inside, let's say I'm looking for something now for the summer, having completed fall and spring, - Yup, yes. - Then I'll be eligible by then. - Yeah, you will. - I wouldn't be looking for it right now? - Yeah, exactly. - And even for the summer, even if you don't, (coughing) we have stuedents enrolled in the BUAD864, who are not part of the graduate internship program, but they wanna use their CPT, they enroll in that course, and again, we refund that, we refund that money for you. Because of the international student, and again, this is only for international students, you would need to be in a course that requires you to do an internship, in order to use your CPT. If you're working off campus. Sorry, there's a lot of, like, you know -- All these different stuff. And I also know, Sarah and I always recommend, if you've got very specific questions about your status and eligibility, please go to OISS, talk to somebody there, because, and make sure that you give them all the pieces of information about you, so that they can answer any questions that you have. - Including your travel back and forth. How long you work on, everything, stuff you don't even think is important, may become important. - Yup. - All right, we only have time for one more, and then we have a hard stop. And that means, I'm going upstairs, so I wish I could stay after, but I'm going upstairs, I have a commitment, so hard stop at one. - Any last minute questions? - All right, then. Thank you so much, this has been really great to talk to all of you. (applause) - Bye bye everybody, thanks for participating.

Graduate Internship Program Orientation-20190222

From Sarah Andrus March 01, 2019

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Graduate Internship Program Orientation
Delivered February 22, 2019
Facilitated by Sarah Baker Andrus

Department Name: Lerner Graduate and MBA Programs
Date Established: March 01, 2019
Appears In: Lerner Career Services Campus Life

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