Okay I would like to call to the December ninth 2019 Faculty Senate meeting to order. First item. I found this umbrella up here going to auction it off for the senate president retirement fund idea they will put an object. There. Certainly first item of business is to adopt the agenda. Can I have a motion to adopt the agenda so moved and a second. Any discussion hearing none are you ready to vote on Favorite against thank you the agenda has been adopted. Next item approval of the minutes from November 2019 Can I have a motion to accept the minutes from November we approve the minutes for the minutes. Can I get a second set of second any discussion all in favor or opposed. Okay and the minutes had been for at this time I'd like to turn the podium over to Provost Robin Morgan for some remarks. Thank you very much and I hope everybody had a good semester and that they are weathering the rain and coming up >> Coming in for home run somebody just going to give you three announcements and then I'm going to turn the podium over to Matt who's going to give you two MacKenzie Rick who's going to give you two more. So first I want to talk about online Title Nine training. So this is an online training that everyone at the university should be taking and just want you to know the statistics of who's completed it. So among our undergraduate students 91% have completed at our new undergraduate students are required to do this when they come in as freshmen at the University of Delaware it's a bit of an incentive for them but 91% is pretty Greg. Pretty happy with that graduate students it's 86% is still pretty good. Staff is 83%. And this is our full and part time staff members. And our faculty are at 62%. So with faculty it's voluntary you know but I'm asking that you get the word out to please encourage people to take that title nine training. Many of you who work with students live with students know this is the climate on campus particularly around sexual assault but also render things is very big deal to our students. They're very concerned about it. And I think if we could make a statement about faculty taking this title nine training seriously and that would be great. So I'll be talking to the tourists caucus to about this. But if you could help us encourage people to take that training would really be great like to get that number way up in the eighties and nineties okay and we need to give you an update undergraduate college. So as you know the college was established I suppose officially July first 2019 but a lot of work you all did a lot of work during the last academic year you drafted you have we have draft bylaws And you voted I think you're a march meeting to establish that. And then it was done by the by the board of trustees executive committee that was endorsed. And then we announced it at the board meeting in May and was actually official on July first. And when he did rather than just say we have it give you some idea of some things that have been happening this year. Besides just that we've launched the search for a Dean of the Graduate College that's true. And I believe it's about December 17th those materials will be available to the search committee. We will do short interviews and sub finalist during winter session. You can expect public interviews for the finalists to be occurring. Roughly either at the very end of the first week of spring or in the second week of spring semester. So we're going to put forward those candidates at a time when everyone should be on campus. And it should be at the beginning of the spring semester. So there's a lot of energy and people are not winding down there winding. So expect that. But there's some other things that have happened to. First I want to thank Doug born for continuing as the interim dean he has not been sitting still really appreciate. His efforts to try to have some things progress. Just to remind you think everybody knows this but to remind you the goal for forming the graduate college was to raise the profile of graduate education amd. We wanted to provide better support for graduate students grad programs and faculty who are engaged in those programs. And so we've tried to get started on some of those initiatives. You know you probably know each of the colleges elected their counselors late in the spring semester of last year. Over the summer the officers of the Grad Counsel were elected from the counselors so that at the beginning of the fall semester this past Fall 2019 that council was able to be convened. It's been meeting and begin to do its work. So really appreciate everybody's efforts to keep ONE time keep on a timeline. That's good. The the we did start a summer. I am an official summer recruitment program where we brought in undergraduate students at other institutions brought them to campus so they could see what graduate life might be like here. This is a recruiting tool we would like to expand that. And to be be in a position to apply for competitive funding to increase the number of students who can come here the summer before they start. Some of that funding was also used to help graduate students arrive a little early before September so that they could become oriented into grad life here on campus. We did here This was when near and dear to my heart University relevant recruitment materials that are nice and they look professional and they don't look like a yard sale and on their uniform across campus. And we've said this has been this is this is done and we appreciate all the work at ACM and the work on the parts of many individuals to get something that was frankly not embarrassing. And this is not embarrassing. This looks good on. We also had a coordinated presences several comfort national conferences particularly those that are targeting under-represented minority students. So that is now not such an ad hoc effort. And we'd like to increase our presence at those meetings the round houses being renovated and so graduate student space. So that's underway which will be very nice. If we had a number of professional development sessions and assistant deans will be in place to catalyze more of those. They've been very well-received. Who bit a little challenge to meet the demand. So graduate students are appreciative and are participating in these professional development sessions. So we'll continue to do those. The collaboration's with student life have are or become Getting Started. And these are really important to try to really increase some of the the the way graduate students can interact with each other and have them feel like more of a community. So very much appreciate that there has been a huge amount of work into looking at policies and practices of how we've done things for years and years and years. And there's been a lot of closet cleaning trying to make it so that the new grad dean can come in and won't have to do that sort of clean-up work. And I think we're using our resources better. And anyone who knows almost any of our operations could use that exercise and it's been taking place I think very efficiently and the grant office. I appreciate that. And Doug and his team with a graduate student have develop a really cool analytics tool for looking at how just giving analyzing our history admissions where income is coming in what's working what has time to time to degree it's a very nice interactive tool that we can use. And I think it's just terrific and we've demonstrated that we looked at it. I need a little training on it but I think it is not and told that a good 30 minutes and that'll be up to speed. So that probably means most of you'll be up to speed in ten or 15 minutes. We do think that type of tool can be modified for the undergraduate programs and rich reads is working with the grad offers to try to do that. So these are some real pluses some real neat things that are happening. And I just wanted to know that again I want to thank everybody for their efforts in trying to put this in place. And I think we're on the right track. And finally the last thing I wanted to talk to you about is that we're we're establishing a sustainability council. And that council will report jointly to me in the Provost Office and to John Long the executive vice president will talk to you later but not about the sustainability council at least I don't think your. But anyway Chris Williams and Michelle Bennett had been appointed the cold leads on that. And I'm very grateful to Chris has always been very interested in sustainability. So he he was coming to talk to you about this and and we stuck him in the saddle. I also want to acknowledge Michael changes who was in the back your michael has spent a lot of time thinking about sustainability and working on some of the plans that we're putting in place. Michael ended up with a another little tasks to take care of and that is the honors program. And so we decided that maybe we shouldn't sell him up and so but I'm sure he'll be very involved in sustainability. We're counting on that as we go forward. So council will do the following. They'll develop a university wide sustainability plan. They're going to review and expand our decade old climate action plan. I was actually on that committee and it was a long time ago and aligned the affiliated activities with university priorities. They're going to look at the pres assess the current status of sustainability on campus. And then look at future activities in the context of this overall sustainability plan. They will coordinate and align with the Faculty Senate Executive Committee. Because I knew the Faculty Senate is interested in sustainability committee with work in the Provost Office. The EBP is office the division of student life we have many student organizations that are doing various ad hoc efforts around sustainability the Student Government Association and the graduate student government. So we're trying to pull all things together. It's not a matter of stopping what anyone wants to do but making sure we don't have two or three groups too engrossing thing. Not working together. We have a lot more detail in the planning documents that Chris and Michael and Michelle and others have put together but basically this council will work on an academic engagement work on education around sustainability as well as research that we do on campus around sustainability there'll be working on campus community engagements. So within our UD family how are we engaging everyone to contribute to this effort off campus community engagement. How are we working with new work but also with City of Louis Georgetown some of the other places that we operate. There'll be looking at our campus facilities the infrastructure and the operations. Michel van it actually reports on that side into free yes center facilities and social BLE is on there. We're going to look at university wide sustainability themed Public Relations and advocacy. When should we as a university be an advocate and an unbiased source of information. And finally we'll look at sustainability related entrepreneurship. So stay tuned. It's all about distort. We've been doing this ad hoc all over campus and it's time to really give it some thought. In fact give it a little money. And so I'm the one doing that and really see what they can come up with. With that I'm going to turn the podium over to Matt cancer Vick who has two very interesting topics to talk to you about any questions for me. Alright thanks. Everybody. Matt >> I can't promise they're interesting but I do think they're important. First one briefly is that on the 16th of December we're going to roll out the new faculty annual appraisal and planning tool. So with the demise of UD academe we needed to replace it with something. What we chose to do was to develop our own appraisal tool. So we took the staff appraisal tool and with the help of HR in IT retrofitted it for the one to nine scale for faculty appraisals. We have finished it. We've previewed it with a handful of department chairs and with the AAUP leadership and everybody with one voice said you did it. You've made appraisals fun again. So enjoy it when it comes out. It's a it's very simple. Very simple. We are going to release a training tool with a short video that may not even be necessary because it is so simple. But it's going to look a lot different from Udi academe because it's not a reporting tool. It's not an activity reporting tool it's just to review tool. So that's all I'll say about that. But look for that on the 16th that's going to. That's going to be available for everybody. Second thing is about the survey. So if you're not no coaches that CEO a CH E It's the collaborative. Academic careers in higher education. Coach is operates out of Harvard for a decade or more. Now they've been doing faculty satisfaction surveys in peer groups. And what they provide is a database data research-based survey instrument that you go through it it's a three-year cycle. You go through it with a with a cohort of other schools and then they benchmark your results nationally than provide expert advice. Back to the campus about what issues you're seeing how it compares nationally and how you might respond to it. This is going to be a you daily story coming out tomorrow about it. Survey won't launch until the spring term though February third it's going to start. An April tenth is when it closes you'll be getting a lot of reminders about this. So be prepared. We do want robust participation in this because the more faculty we hear from the more we know and the more we're able to do with that information. This is different from previous climate surveys which have all been in-house operations led by UD advance in institutional research most recently. And so with the help of advance and the institutional research office we are becoming a coach school advance will be heavily involved in the interpretation and dissemination of results with this. So it's going to take it's going to take the place of the surveys that advanced had been doing. And I think we're all going to get a lot from it and really benefit from it. So please do get the word out. When you get the e-mails eventually pay attention to I'm encouraged other people to fill out this survey. I think it's going to be a real help to what we do here. Thanks Thank you Matt and Robin. No announcements today as senate president but we'd like to introduce our open discussion. The community the whole last meeting I talked about and gave a definition of the community as a whole. And again just for refreshing a Committee of the Whole is limited to considering and making recommendations on matters that had been referred to it it cannot take up other matters or vote. The purpose of the committee of the whole is to relax a usual limits on debate allowing a more open exchange of views without the urgency of a final vote discussion and a committee of the whole maybe recorded but will be excluded from our Senate notes. After discussing the committee submits its conclusions to the senate that it's of ourselves. And the business of the meetings continue under normal rules. Today's discussion is motive by motivated by change is already underway and others being considered or anticipated that may impact the overall academic organization of the university. As mentioned by Provost Morgan we have undergraduate college. Proposal has been received by the faculty senate endorsed by the faculty the Biden School in the College of Arts and Sciences faculty senate for that school to become a freestanding professional school led by the that proposal will be reviewed by the various senate committees prior to being introduced for consideration for the Senate. The possibility has been proposed or creating an honors college. A new school of music isn't development within the College of Arts and Sciences and other units may be or are considering their current and desired organizational structure with the overall academic structure of the university. The purpose of this discussion is not the review or debate the merits of any specific proposal. That consideration will take place to the Faculty Senate established procedures. Rather our purpose is to consider questions and possibilities for the future. Overall academic organization of the university. Our focus should be on the broader university wide framework for academic organizations and the possibilities and expectations looking forward. This is particularly important matter for the Senate since the academic organization of this and other universities translates into the organization of the faculty. The rationale for this committee as a whole discussion is to share our ideas and consider the questions posed in the agenda how guiding principles for addressing that. As we consider these questions it is useful to consider them both in regards to how the academic organization of UD and the future may be best aligned with our priorities and also within the typical organization among the nation's research universities that we consider our peers. It's also valuable to consider the prospects for the future in the context of changing arrangements at our own institution. So I hope we will learn together and learn from each other today. So let me start our conversation by sharing a few things. I've learned from colleagues in preparing for today's committee of the whole. First until 1964 UD colleges were actually designated as schools that were led by deans. The College of Arts and Science was the school of arts and science in the first Dean of that school was appointed in 1904. The College of Engineering was the School of Engineering led by Dean. In 1964 the university's trustees designated all schools as colleges. So at different times Judy has used both that designation of college and school for academic units being led by Dean Second four of our current schools were previously freestanding colleges led by ID. The Biden School the School of Education in the School of Nursing were all independent colleges until 1997. They became schools when a reorganization endorsed by the Faculty Senate combined five colleges into two new configurations. For example the College of Nursing became the School of Nursing within the College of Health Sciences. Similar changes made in 2009 the college of earth ocean environment was established and the school marine science and policy became a unit in that college. So there is a history. And then let me add a third universe. Observation about organization and research universities across the country some universities programs are typically designated a school's led by deans. These are typically professional programs offering advanced graduate degrees that prepare students for careers in particular fields such as medical schools law schools dental schools schools of public health architecture public policy education as well as others. In some cases the accreditation of the graduate professional programs we require that they be offered by independent units led by Administrator reports directly to a president or provost. As a result most research universities have a mix of both colleges and schools led by deans. Operating at the same administrative level. The differences being that typically colleges are seen as offering academic degree programs and schools are offering professional degree programs. So with that introduction I'd like to set the groundwork for the community as a whole is that there is a 20 minute limit we're going to be putting on the committee as a whole. A person wishing to speak will be will be recognized by the by the provider and you're limited to three minutes and only one time to speak. And again if there's no other people raising hands we may go back to a person with a second and those non Senate individuals. If all centers had the chance to speak and there is time we will accept a. We'll invite you to speak as well >> So to start things off anyone would like to open with any comments. John job. Thanks of time myself. John chap from English. Thank you. Special committees took two years or more. To establish the need case for the graduate college. And we heard about interdisciplinary research and about the special needs of graduate students in the areas of student like me. So I think the University of Delaware needs that kind of deliberative process not necessarily two years like kind of deliberative process to establish new stand alone units colleges >> Need a need case an explanation for why such a big change should be made especially should be made with the students in mind as students were so significant in the discussion of the gradual cloud and we need a checklist some bullet points that states the traits of a college. Even after my time here at Udi. I wonder what those bullet points would be. So today and going forward I learned from a general discussion of what the bullet points are that make a college and a general discussion of what are the sorts of needs that give rise to a stand alone unit >> Thanks so I appear I apologize Fred Hofstetter from education I apologize for CB diminutive but I got a chair that just stays rope normally taught. So I wrote a little stories. The story is called from a college with departments to a school within another college. And as Matt explained in his opening remarks the School of Education is an example of the college that morphed into a school. I'll explain explain briefly how this happened. So when enrollments grew rapidly in the 19 sixties the College of Education for four departments which came to be called educational development educational studies Professional Studies and occupational studies in the mid 19 seventies however enrollments loved thanks to demographics. As fewer children entered elementary schools there were fewer jobs for new teachers. So our college lost students then a severe recession weekend the university and the face of budget crisis I'm thinking of John Morgan's chart that he passed recent budget hearing. So most of our colleges non tenured faculty contracts are not renewed. And the College of Education scaled back to having just into the departments which were educational studies and educational develop. So these two departments merged into one that we decided to call a school when the college of education was merged into the College of Human Development Education and Public Policy. Today the School of Education belongs to the College of Education and Human Development. The School of Education is a complex unit with many academic areas. And I joked with the faculty because I'm going to list and I joke with the faculty's if I don't mention since this is a Senate meeting they lose their standing. So with many academic areas including elementary teacher education mathematics education science education sociology literacy reading educational psychology social studies English Language Arts Educational Technology and special education. And at the master's and doctoral levels we have programs in the learning sciences socio-cultural community approaches economics education literacy school psychology mathematics education educational statistics and research methods and educational leadership. The school comprises more than 60 faculty who affiliate with one or more of these programs. Because the terms college and school are sometimes used interchangeably the strategy behind being called a school is to reflect the complexity of what was formerly a freestanding College. So in some of the College of Education is an example of a complex academic unit that began as a college with departments and evolved into a school within another college. Thank for >> Farley grab economics. Naming things kinda presupposes an audience you want to communicate with. And I'd like to know what our primary audience is here for naming these things is that the public and students is it our peers is it our peer institutions I mean making a decision here depends a little bit on what our primary audiences or informing them by using things like it. Well I guess to address one of the cases we've seen some QC seem some interest recently and they do that by Mozart but John Jesus Physics and Astronomy. I guess related to some departments or other or schools within the College of Arts and Science. It seems that we've heard justifications that schools and similar titles are desirable from the standpoint of ranking and and sort of peer views of programs. I'm sort of eager to support them whether or not they remain in our college in improving in that way. And so I'm very open to finding a way of doing this >> Moving moving forward so that schools don't successful programs don't get ranked poorly simply because they are called IT department rather than a school or that chair instead of a director or whatever the titles may be. Thank you >> John Thank you John Morgan. So I've been here since 1981. And I sort of remember some of the changes that Fred Hofstadter mentioned. I would like to raise a related issue which is that there are very few examples of a department which is named after an individual. But there are many examples of schools and colleges which are named after an individual or a group of individuals perhaps a family. And those provide opportunities for some combination of increasing the name recognition. As certainly happened with the Biden school. And all we're getting a very substantial donation to help underwrite the activities of that academic unit. And for example the Lerner College is an example of that. And it and these can be very good. And they can also be problematic right I mean for example a couple of years ago some schools or colleges of media Decided to remove Harvey Weinstein name from their units and the same happened with Steve with. And more recently Tufts University decided to remove the Sackler day from its academic programs. And it seems to me that it would be a good idea for there to be a process which includes involvement of the faculty. Whenever an individual's me will be placed on an academic unit at our university >> And we crimp hospitality business management in other fields majority of prominent programs or schools. And mostly I gave schools. And I think that would benefit us and full of nursing. So I was hired here in 1997 when the school changed its name from a college to a school and along those lines we're trying to find a senior associate dean now for our school of nursing but in other schools of nursing they're called deans. So there's a struggle with how we hire people that are engaged and tell him that you know we're part of the College of Health Sciences. We have a dean but we also have this unit leader that's going to lead the way for the school of nursing. So it's a different framework that we have to explain to other schools because they have a data School of Nursing and we have a senior associate dean. So it's kind of like you know trying to make sure that we belong to a larger group so that College of Health Sciences. As key. Sure >> Other comments. Okay going once twice. Okay thank you. And I'd like to thank everyone for their for their comments. And again for participating in the exercise. And as I said we'd like to think that it's something that we can contribute in moving forward with this process. So thank you for your input in that up in our committee as a whole. And I'd like to thank the individuals that helped me prepare for that. And for John jet suggesting utilizing this this mechanism to have a discussion as opposed to a debate or the pressures of having to make a make a vote. So John thank you very much for your insights. And again to all that helping contribute for the program. And next we'll move on to the consent agenda. There are. We have three items on our consent agenda. And we can see those. Does anyone want Remove any of these items from the consent agenda. Seeing no requests to pull consented giants. Are you ready to vote using your yellow cards please raise for approval. Opposed. Okay thank you to consent. Agenda has has been a proof. There is no un-fun unfinished business and there is no new business. So we'd like to move to the presentation portion of our of our program. First I'd like to introduce John Long who's the executive president and CEO for an update on deferred maintenance. Before our before John's presentation I would like to formally. Welcome John as executive vice president chief operating officer to the University. John started this past spring. And John comes to the University from the University of South Florida where he had served since 2011 among his accomplishments during his time at the University Southern Florida South Florida were leading the effort to spin off a regional campus and develop the largest public-private partnership the State University's history which was a $135 million project that included five new residence halls a new fitness center and new dining hall. He also led the effort to construct the public's grocery store on the main campus. The first in the nation. You also had led to the creation of an assistant vice president for supplier diversity to focus on engagement implementation of a streamlined business process system that contributed to the increase student graduation and retention rates. He's also involved the construction of a new medical school in downtown Tampa and new initiatives for public safety that resulted in a 60% decrease in crime. Before joining University South Florida John sir for 27 years the United States Air Force. John thank you for your service. From 2009 to 2011 he was a mission support group commander for the 11th wing at Andrews Air Force Base where he ran the day-to-day support activities including the flight line infrastructure support for Air Force. One. John was responsible for the base is $80 million budget for fire rescue public works contract vehicle operations maintenance shipping security and canine support. He also provide direct support services logistics infrastructure and security for the US president vice president members of the cabinet and Congress as well as foreign heads of state. And John escort me to the meeting today. A graduate of the University of South Florida john holds a Master's Degree in Human Resource Management from Webster University and a master's degree in Strategic Studies for the prestigious Air workout at Maxwell Air Force Base and John also studied Harvard University's Institute for Educational Management. John Mab on behalf of the faculty senate and that all faculty at University of Delaware officially welcome you to the university >> John Good afternoon I'd rather kind of float around but I'm told it's tapes. I gotta stay behind a podium. Thank you for that introduction. I don't know who that guy was that you you introduce but I hope to have a a very productive collaborative process with the Senate. And I look at this as we're all on the same team. And we all do different functions but we're all here for the same reason. And part of that is to support our students and make sure that our faculty have tools to Excel. Now Matt attends the board of trustees meeting and a dot. This would be information that B relative to the Senate so I want to kinda take it back a little bit and it predates me. So in 2018 the Board of Trustees was faced with a $500 million backlog and deferred maintenance on the campus. And at that point they had been investing $18 million a year and decided to double that that $36 million a year. Now I have heard since I've got here and depending what group constituents are involved in the conversation. Well there's all the money going to star. And what's going on with the main campus and always still investing. So Matt thought it would be worthwhile to talk about this and I'll go big too little in the presentation. So the pie chart just really looks at commodities as to where we're investing on these project. Now I will tell you criteria was established and that research facilities or count that as the number one critical item to be invested first it doesn't mean we don't need to invest in other things because there's a balance. So we have to make sure at the end of the day the money is spent wisely but there is a recognition of what the university priorities were in those were those areas of research. So if you look at the pie chart which hopefully is kind of self explanatory and you see research in labs. And again this is the plan. This is looking backwards at 18 and forward to 23. Approximately $85 million will be spent on lab upkeep and deferred maintenance. And I'll talk about a slide later about new capital projects but this is fixing what we have in maintaining what we have. Infrastructure. Special general use some classrooms residential the residence halls. So I think the main point of this is we continue to invest on the main campus. This is not all about Star. Formulaically you see some things as the or how do you guys come up with this what's what's your criteria what your basis in this kinda lays it out as two percentage point and a matrix as to high score low score. Now obviously with $500 million in deferred maintenance and even out of $36 million investment it's going to be awhile before we get to that. I think we're down now to roughly about 450 million. But Anything that comes off it seems something comes on. So you know the average age of the buildings here. They're not new. And I think if you just look at your own house you buy a new house it's five years old. You don't have spent a lot you buy a house 60 years old. It's probably a black hole and you're gonna dump a lot of a lot of dollars to maintain it. So we're trying to do the best of what we have and maintain the balance on some some old buildings that really are tough to maintain our facilities folks here and I have to give them a big hand. They worked very hard to try to keep the facilities as best condition as possible. The MCI rating that isn't a national rating known commodity. That's not something we made up the facility condition index which talks about theme police goes here. I think he has four or five of the worst out of the top ten worst buildings on campus based on that SCI index. So we continue to try to make progress. We continue to try to drive down and we have a prioritization. I will tell you this process goes to the board. The board sees it. There's mats at those meetings it's voted on and approved as to the allocation. There is a commitment for the next eight years. It was ten years looking for that every year for probably now the next eight years there will still be thirty-six million dollars every year invested in deferred maintenance for facilities on the main campus that doesn't nothing to do with the star campus. This is just on main campus. Any questions on this slide before I move I've only got three so it's not that hard. Okay so let me see if I get this right okay so I wanted to give you an idea of some of the things that are being worked on. And again when we talk about its formulaically driven as well what is that so you can see the score on the buildings and you can see the score kind of looking out. No one slide I did not include as we do have a slide and I'd be more than happy to send it to you interested that shows on a graph. If we do nothing what the gap is and if we continue to vest that 36 million what that is and there's a sizable gap. If we do nothing and just kinda go along or do a de minimis amount versus doing 36 million. So we've plotted this out over ten years to try to show where there's an impact this kind of again this is not everything. But this gives you an idea of some of some of the facilities that you may be interested in as to when we do that math what that number comes out to on the Condition Index. And you can see again the largest part of the pie pink or red is those mission critical facilities which we've talked about a primary those research facilities on campus. Any questions on this. Yes sir. Absolutely puts a difference between SCI in SCI is able to columns Marcy o as you asked your silhouette actually itself. There is no difference from that perspective other than it's cumulative across the years. So 20 20th snapshot today 2029 is the sum after nine years between now and So and 20-20 yet. 69.1 that's where it is but in 2029 after we make the investment that's what it drives it down. Without an investment it'd probably be off and close. If we let it deteriorate Any other questions yes sir. Could you say more about how I'm sorry John Jesus specifically somebody could you say more about how these numbers are interpreted. For example we were in sharp lab and we complain about it a lot. But I'm surprised that our number is almost the same as a building I understand is burned out. Yeah well you know what I see it. We're like Yeah I'm happy at all. Can I hold off at the next slide because I'll kind of talk about that a little bit because this is a plan. And so this is a 10-year plan. A prime example is mechanically burning down that was never in the plan would have to spend upwards over a $120 million to restore the candidate. So >> And what we've done is we've taken the dollars that we live program maintenance. Because there's a big chunk with that score. And now we've reallocated that bucket as we go in to more or less new construction on McKinley. So yes this is a snapshot before this. So what we look at to where it sits on a maintenance dollars because that's part of the party to. So this snapshot taste for McCain with burns. And this is where you would be. So yes sharp is high on the list. And it's a priority. So therefore those things will rise higher on the priority would love to be able to do all of it. But I said it's a balance right now. We're about $450 million that we look at. I will say that in all transparency this is where science becomes an art. Because realistically what we don't do on 30 June is now delayed one July. So we can't get it in this year than it's differ. And some of these things keep getting pushed out. I've asked our folks to look at things as to where do we take risk. So if we have a roof that the engineers say that roof should last ten years will go up on the roof and do another assessment and can we get 12 out of it but what's the risk as the roof kinda fallen in somebody's life work is gone because we push the envelope. Do we really need to replace it in ten years so we do go do an evaluation on when these major projects need to be done to see well maybe the weather wasn't as bad as when that the engineering study said it should only last ten years maybe it's going to last well. So we'll push that to the right differ. Yes sir and they tell the businessman is when I see some building so college is not included. The next KU band is this going to be devised or this is just to know this this gets every year. This gets recalibrated things come on things come off. And I'm like I mentioned when the initial 10-year plan was set no one knew McKinley was going to burn down. That has now taken a large portion of funds. I mean it could be a 120 overall that are going to be associated with that. And so when we look at new capital projects and we looked for maintenance I mentioned I'm a big chunk of what would have to be programmed for ten years for deferred maintenance for McKinley has now been reallocated over here into new construction because >> The deferred maintenance went off the books. I mean sometimes a fire is a good thing but not usually I didn't say that. But it but it helped just Marcy after that John that this is not the full plan. And so just because you don't see your building on here doesn't mean that you won't be impacted. This specifically shows the mission-critical facilities which are I'll say wet research. That does not mean that we're not trying to address the folks that are not in those type of locations. I don't know if it's on this side of the slide before that says just components. A lot of what we get are able to accomplish is replacement of one air handling unit. One compressor >> Probably on the surface doesn't make your life better but hopefully it does in a way that you don't even notice because that piece of equipment is no longer failing or are performing poorly through to the last slide. So I know deferred maintenance is extremely exciting and it makes everybody's day and I'm really jazzed about it but probably the thing that gets you more excited or new big renovations. And just for instance if you notice the powdered blue buildings at the end of the Green at where did they show up from well those are the construction trailers for the Warner renovation. And that is due to start. I think pretty much next week as soon as the students leave. We're gonna get started on renovating that project. So again this is the plan. These are fairly well set. I don't see in two years much of this changing. However everything changed when McKinley burned down the towers to be again transparent. Those probably are going to be up for at least another year. We're starting the finesse this abatement and it has its material removal. Things that complicated that project a little bit is there are cell towers on those roofs. They are part of the 9-1-1 circuit for the state of Delaware there part of Emergency Management for Delaware as well as the cellphone carriers. So our folks in IT or vice president sharon pit has been working very diligently to actually get creative and have somebody else come in and build it that we don't have to pay for and let them charge those places. The T-Mobile's of the world and Verizon to put their tower on their once we can accomplish that then we'll start the demo process on. I'm hopeful this time next year that will be underway but part of that is now waiting on the private firm to build a tower. When can they start and when they go up it has also been I don't want to say negotiation more collaboration with the city of New York as a tower and what does that mean and what does it do to the skyline and how does it affect the community. So we've worked very closely with the city. The city manager as to how do we get to yes on this were it benefits the community they are very interested in the tower and we do do things. So I signed a piece paper that gave them some access to some LAN. So you may have noticed the write up a couple of months ago about Trail being cut through so that was university delaware being a good partner saying okay well we'll give you that space but we're going to help with these towers by by the way you're interested him because it's your 9-1-1 circuit. So we tried to again how do we get to yes and and be good partners Fintech I know that's the that's the newest hottest program out there. So that project had probably been in works for close to two years before I got here. We really were able to bring that in for a landing the last six months. So that will be the next building OnStar. I'm a big fan of OPM other people's money and somebody's going to build that. We're not going to build it. We won't own it. We've given the lease for 45 years for the dirt and an app to the 45 years that building reverts to us. It's ours the university delaware. I think the current plan without getting into the academic realm is 50 thousand square feet is to be shared by College of Engineering and College of Business Delaware technology part DTP they are actually the owners of the building. Discover bank is financing it. The thirty seven thirty eight thirty six. I'm not sure where the number will fall once pricing comes in but it's it's 36 plus $1 million building. They will have basically some makerspace in there for new startups to come in. And they're looking for other fintech companies from the west coast to have a presence on the East Coast because those businesses are primarily located in New York and Philadelphia on the East Coast. So that's where we're excited about as star continues to come out of the ground. I will tell you I'm working on a few other things that star. My colleagues that are down there have reminded me probably no less than once a week that it's a food desert. Not to mention across the street with AG and athletics. So my hope I've met with three local restaurant tours and a restaurant group that my hope is by the spring. We can have a proposal out and my hope is someone is interested to build a restaurant. We're not talking about a McDonald's. Are our clients I come Moore's or to have a restaurant a place that they can have a business lunch or business meeting with either prospective clients or for prospective employees are just they need to meet. And so we're going to work very very hard to get a restaurant up on Star in the next 12 to 24 months and that's the one thing I always have to caution people on. If I get that go ahead today to build a building you're not going to see it for two years. So these things have long lead time. And just to get in this construction cycle. And unlike florida where we built 365 days a year you don't bill 365 days a year and Delaware as I've learned. So although I'm originally from Ireland so I get it. But so those are some of the exciting things on the horizon out as start. You may hear rumors to don't want to have any rumors you know we're looking at Public Private Partnership for graduate student housing indoor student housing. We're looking at a hotel conference center at star at some point or looking at market rate mixed use housing down a star that wouldn't really be student focus. It would be maybe focused for faculty that say I don't want a 3 thousand square foot home. I'm fine with 1000 foot apartment and I got my bike and I'll take the train to DC or Boston and I'll Uber around or those scientists and tumours that are coming in that say I don't I don't need all that. So I think it's going to be very exciting. Again in the next six to 18 months as we try to move the needle at the Star campus but I go back to that $36 million is being invested on this campus. Not a diamond that's going to store. An entertaining question. Yes ma'am. >> Amy little animal and put sciences. There is an issue because I'm on South Campus. Townsend Hall in walking across from Townsend Hall to star or the modulars which is where our labs are right now well worthwhile the moral revolution >> Happening there is one crosswalk and it's not even a convenient location. So people don't tend to use it. They tend to go just across the street you travel. So are there plans for either a bridge or a tunnel or some way for people to safely lot across the street from South Campus to start. So I'll start off saying I don't know but I'll tell you I doubt there'll be a bridge or a tunnel because there are millions and millions of dollars. You have a meeting with the Delaware. Cabinet member Department of Transportation Secretary of Transportation I think in the next two weeks. So that could be something we could bring up even for more crosswalks. Bell that controls that that's that's not us but we can certainly voice the concern. Again as we ramp that area up and there's more and more people and it's more and more congested that we're really concerned about safety. And you know people ask me what keeps me up at night and really it's none of this stuff. It's safety. I mean I maybe it's back from my days in military but I sleep with my cell phone next to my bed on my nightstand because I'm fearing that three o'clock in the morning call from the police department. So safety safety safety so I will certainly bring that up with the appropriate folks and say can we at least get a study and evaluate that yes ma'am. Yes sir. Thank you John jab. And since I'm from English I have to ask you about the construction south the memorial hall facing the library Yes and in particular with that construction you just mentioned safety through that construction process. There has been a problem with handicapped access to the library into Memoriad so that you could comment on the construction and maybe on the handicapped. I can comment on Reconstruction I keen on a handicap because this is the first time anybody's told me that's a problem. The construction and there'll be more of it. And this is not unique at the University of Delaware that is replacement of steam and chilled water. Those pipes are I think over 50 years old. So there are failures is coming. We're going to march down and eventually it's going to be the other side of the green. The whole grain needs to be done at some point and this is a phased program over the next couple of years but it will be torn up for a couple of years. And we don't do that. We're going to lose every building on agreeing because we won't have any steam it won't have any chilled water. I will talk with our facilities folks and they're here. So they're listening about it. There's an issue with handicap access and we can take a look at that. Certainly yes sir. Yes sir victim personally sociology and two quick questions. Are there any plans for it Place the Christianity towers. And secondly the morphine star campus right okay so I will go first Christiana towers. I would say Not in the near term. It is something we've looked at. So there's a fairly robust student contingent on on layered. And it becomes a timing issue is what is the demand so the last thing we want to do is either build it ourselves and no one comes because we're paying debt on buildings that we can't pay the debt. So if only 50 or 60% occupied we're in trouble or with the private sector do it. So I think really our first focus is khan over to knock those down if somebody would and that's where the thought of potentially I hate to use the term graduate housing because it kinda pigeons it but but a a tiered housing process where it wouldn't be freshman. Maybe it's juniors or seniors. Maybe it is grad students that would be interested. It's close to Main Street close to campus wouldn't need a car. Could bike around would be pretty convenient. I actually should have a product in about three weeks. I hired a consultant to say was there a potential P3 public private partnership was there even a market here for the private sector to come in and say you know what we'll build that for you. We think there's a market so I'm waiting for the report. Early indications are con over is very ripe to be. Well we have to demolish. It is closed from all that'll never re-open but that location is ripe for the next housing project. So a Christianity you know five years ten years. If we move to a different point or more students want to live on campus or we make mandatory housing for say a sophomore versus just first-year FDIC then we'd have to evaluate the merits of that. And then your second question trains the train station. So the train station it depends who you listen to should be open in 2021. There's a I don't want everybody to get. I always caution people getting excited about this train station. So right now this is an anthrax and shoot. Amtrak has limited trains and guess where they're made China. So they're not in a great mood to go buy new trains. They say although this year they're about to turn a profit Amtrak usually loses money. So right now it's a question of There's only nine o'clock and three o'clock. And right now there's no movement I've met with Senator Harper and his staff. Everybody in the state is engaged with Amtrak as well as mark. To say We need a connection to get that 18 miles done. But I think that's just going to be a work in progress but the station should open some of our folks from or on public art. I think the College of Arts and Sciences has been evolved and getting public art in there through del dy. So it's it's coming but every time I talk to someone that the date seems to move around. So I just say now 20-20 on because they can't really seem to commit. Yes sir. Thank you join where we're going again >> It was seven or eight years ago that Scott Douglas told me that the cost of construction was going up by about 7% a year. And I would guess that that's probably about the same for the cost of different addressing deferred maintenance. And if maintenance problems are not the dress they usually get worse and becoming even more expensive defense. And right now the endowment is returning only about 4%. And the stock market is very close to a record high >> So I'm wondering whether it would actually make sense to take an even more aggressive stance. In spending money from the endowment. To address this deferred maintenance which might actually save money in the long term. It's an interesting theory but of course you know you can't spend the corpus of the endowment. I mean that's for perpetuity. So the corpus and have that conversation and folks in the state they say you have this $1 billion endowment. You can't spend it. You can't spend the corpus so whatever the returns throw off that's what goes into the general fund for expenditures. Again the endowment is in long-term securities. This is not chase the market rebalance every 90 days. I just want to see Moody's and S and P about three weeks ago with the board chair and head of finance committee. One thing that UD is very proud of is that triple a bond rating. And for those that dabble in any of those areas that's the cost of capital. So to get a downgrade means are you going to do is pay more to borrow money to keep that high rating. We probably there's no one on the face of the Earth that can borrow money as cheap as we can right now. With that said the university before my arrival Issue $200 million in debt. To do some of these facilities that we have up here. The appetite I believe is not there to incur any more dead at this point. I think you've all seen the new budget models presentation wherein a dip for two years until things kinda come back. So to to further take more debt on without a reliable source to replenish is probably not feasible. Scott Douglas is probably pretty close. I can tell you I had it I've got an analysis. Other folks have asked for and I've told them No because I had a major US construction company do the analysis. This is some of the most expensive construction in the United States where we said we are caught in the bubble from Boston to DC. You get to North Carolina goes down. Once you go above boston it goes down. I was kind of furious that mentioned Matt mentioned about a medical school. It actually opens next month. It was 395 thousand gross 350 thousand net square feet 13 stories a Heart Institute and bivariant. The walk-away cost is a 182 million. We have a 100 thousand square foot buildings here net not even grows and they're a 120 million. I had them do the analysis because I don't get it with the port of Baltimore and steal a steel and it becomes by ship. Why is it so more expensive because it can be And so we're competing with Boston now we're competing with DC. And when you look at the price of labor and you look at union wages and you look at trade. We're just in a bad place right now. And I don't think that's changed. It's the salaries aren't the same here's DC but our cost this. And so we're just caught in the bubble and and I've got I've had to other major US firms ask for the data and I've said no I consider proprietary this other company spent their time and resources to do the analysis. I'm not going to share it. I tell them they can go validate it and do their own. But so that's kinda my leverage to negotiate to say. They told me Temple is the second cheapest place to do construction the United States last year. But there was only one other place in New Mexico that was cheaper. So it's a right to work state. Now pay a whole lot. This is kind of where it is in the country but I agree with you if we can invest more we could maybe be more proactive to avert those roofs from caving in or that h back going. And that's why we've come up with the best that we have with the index to measure risk and try to make the investment but the endowment. The pull from the endowment means you're pulling for the future. So the faculty and students 30 years from now you would be kinda mortgaging their future. And again you can't spend the corpus. So it's kind of a misnomer when I see you have all that money. Why don't you spend it you can't spend it. You can't spin a corpus on an endowment. So plumber but are opec. So Chris Williams at Valjean while phycology sort of fee your question you may want to pass to Jose but could you comment very quickly on what's happening in Warner Hall and the importance of Jose leaving a. So Warner Hall is undergoing. Its currently a residence hall will be decommissioned as a residence hall will go complete renovation and we hope to open a well-being center in water Hall. So both our Center for counseling and student development which is the primary vehicle of delivering psychological therapy individual and group will be moving into Warner Hall from Perkins as well as our unit for health promotion and education on campus called student wellness and health promotion which currently works around victim advocacy of gender-based violence alcohol and other drug. Substance abuse counseling as well as general health promotion education among the student body. We'll also move into this building will also be some other elements which are it's really meant to be an engagement center for students. So our goal is to really have a very active programing schedule or I have a lot of students coming in and out of that building. And we'll be releasing more details in the coming weeks. Tomorrow I think is the board of trustees meeting. Hopefully it'll be formally approved at that point for the project and then will certainly be getting more information out there. Thank you again. Thank you John for your presentation again. Welcome to the University a little bit delayed but are belated but but welcome. Okay >> Next I'd like to turn the meeting over to Doug Xander Executive Director for missions and he'll be sharing with us the results from a test. The test optional admissions pilot study that has been going on the DA. Good afternoon. It's a pleasure to be here with you today I will move fairly quickly through this information is not a long presentation but it is now because now is timely to give you some quick background the University currently operates as a test optional Institute institution for residents of the state of Delaware. So if you are from the state of Delaware you have the option of choosing whether or not you want to submit standardized test scores in support of your application for admission to give you some quick background on that. This is something that came about at the investigation at the request of the provost at the time in 2014 Provost grass so it was looking at the landscape and there are quite a few institutions who have made a move in this direction you know currently there are a 1050 institutions that are test optional across the country. That's nearly a quarter of all institutions in this country that have moved to this and some of the reasons that caused them to look at that are things that we looked at as well. And we a group that came out of the Undergraduate Studies Committee for the faculty senate. It is the purview of the Faculty Senate to set admissions guidelines. So this faculty faculty group which represented every college at the University as well as institutional research and some other folks that for over a year mismatched Shah and I were the co-chairs of the group. And we reviewed what was happening across the country why the institutions that move to test optional did. So the expectations that we might have as an institution and then really digging into our own information to see what we might expect if we moved in this direction as a result of the recommendation that we passed onto the faculty senate. In February of 2016 we were authorized. We being the Office of Admissions to begin a four year. Pilot study commencing with the class that entered in the fall of 2017 that would allow residents of the state of Delaware to be test optional for four classes. That means that the last class with permission to enter under the test optional policy as a class being recruited currently the class that will enter in fall of 2020. The trick to this is that we're also needing to make a recommendation for whether or not we continue the pilot broaden the pilot go away from the pilot. And we'll need to present that information to our incoming prospective students very soon as soon as the spring that's when we would create materials and send information to school counselors to prospective students and families telling them if we were to decide no we are moving away from this that in fact they need to make sure that they're fully prepared to to take standardized tests. We're at a point right now where there is somewhat of a paucity of information but there is enough I think to give you a sense of where we are right now and That there is no danger at least in continuing this. I don't believe it. Let me just tell you where we are. With the pilot there were certain expectations that we believe should happen if we were to move in this direction. One is that we would increase the number of students would come to the University from the state of Delaware. There has been a phenomenon had been phenomenon where students would just self-select not to bother applying to the University of Delaware believing that they would not be accepted looking at our average SAT scores. So that was one so that fewer students would self-select not to apply. We could then have more students wanting to be considered for admission to the University of Delaware among our state residence. The second was that looking at what had happen for other colleges and universities that went test optional could we expect an increase in representation of students who are low income students students who are first-generation students who are historically underserved under-represented minority students based on the expectation or the experience of other schools. We believe that we would see more of those students being enrolled at the University of Delaware in keeping with our goals as an institution. And then finally looking at what would happen to students who came to us high benefit of being test optional would they in fact be successful at the university what would their experience be and what might we be able to do as we move through the process in order to help increase the likelihood that we could assure these students that they they would in fact be successful. Just some quick numbers looking at the proportion of students who took advantage of the test optional policy the first year that we had this again was fall of 2017 when 218 of the entering class of Delaware Aryans came to us as test optional students. The following year we had a a big increase. 28.7% nearly 30% of our students coming came. Coming from Delaware came as test optional admits enrollees and then this most recent year this fall that number went up again. So we're closing in on a third of Delaware and taking advantage of the fact that we are test optional institution. When we look at RUN numbers the rows the first row is fall of 2016. That's the year prior to the institution of test optional for Delaware state residents and then we go down through the current year. The second column looks at raw numbers remembering that one of the things we hope to do was have more Delaware Ian's enrolling at the University of Delaware. By virtue of this change we went from two to 121216 students enrolling from Delaware in fall of 2016. Next year we jumped to 1400 and to Delaware resonance. It was a record and we dropped back a bit by By Design in fall of 2018 when r over enrollment enrollment goals were to decrease the numbers a bit because we head over enrolled. And then back to this most current fall back to a record 1407 the number of Delaware Aryans who came to us. And then the next column to the right of that one looks at the new student enrollment of under-represented students for both residents and non-residents from the base year in 2016 before this started we were at 600 Under-represented students under represented in terms of race and ethnicity in the most current year we're now up to 722. So that was an increase. And then looking at the total enrollment of low-income students again each the we're doing better from the base year of 1284 in fall 2016 up to 1521 will importantly what share of this came from the test optional group of students and that's what this slide represents. So we can see that for the three years that we had the test optional program of the students who came to us as test optional what proportion of those students were Pell eligible Pell mean is a proxy then for being low income. And in that first year we were about 22% and this most current year all the way up to 44.6%. So low-income students among test optional they are highly represented. The middle column looking at first-generation students students for whom. No one in their family has achieved a bachelor's degree they would be the first. So we're up to 45.8% of students in our most recent class test optional students are part of this group. And then finally for under-represented minority students students of color who have been historically underserved and underrepresented in higher education in general and at the University of Delaware test optional population in this most recent year more than half of those students. So the test optional grouping is certainly a group that brings to us some of the characteristics that we expected and we're seeking as part of this pilot. But how are the students doing this is really key is we're needing to make the decision do we keep this or not and here is where we run into it a bit of a snag and that's the paucity of data. So the class that came to us in fall of 2017 is the only class that has moved at all through the university. But this shows you at least that first column false 17 test optional students. First row is students who were retained into their second fall. Well column column. This one is showing that 86.5% of the students who came to us and Fall 17 who were test optional where retained into their second year. Next column shows how that compares to students who were not test optional. They were retained at a 91.2% percent. So there is a gap. As we look at the next class the last two columns are the class that came in and fall of 18 test optional not test optional. We improved the class that came in in 18 are retained at 89.3% again lower than that class that was not test optional but still reasonably strong. And I'll show you why I would say that in a moment there here we have the only class that had an opportunity to be retained into their second year retained to 78%. And that is a gap of students who were not test optional. However if we take a look at National Center for Education Statistics which gathers the information across the country looking at what might we expect for out for students to be retained all students at four year public institutions National Center for Education Statistics is the repository for this information across the nation. 71.2% is the total Across the country regardless of other characteristics that are retained into their second year we're looking at 86.5% for the first-class 89.3% for the second class. Can we do better sure but but where this is certainly not a terrible result that we're seeing. As we look at the other measure that we were needing to see what is the grade point average of students coming in test optional or what are the number of credits that they're accumulating and how does this compare to students who have come in not test optional so for that very first class they had a 2.58 at the end of their first year. And that was behind a bit from the non test optional kids who who young young people who were 2.862 year's class got better. So in fall abating class their first year GPA had gone up to a can't read that 2.683. The overall class went up as well. Second year GPA we've only got that one cohort again but there were two to seven. Looking at the number of credits accumulated very important. So how are we doing across time this first group. Almost 27 credits after their first year compare it paired 228.5 for the test optional group. Second-class that came in and did a little better. Still a little behind there others second-year credits for that one cohort where behind by fewer than six credits but that's two classes. And that was that first class. And so thinking about where are we right now in what what might the future hold as we look at the results I would say that the results not alarming and not unexpected. As we look at the research around students who are first gen who are low income who are historically under-represented in underserved at institutions we would expect there to be some gaps. And the gaps that we need to understand so that we can correct. We are seeing positive progress. So the second cohort is doing better than the first. Ultimately what we find in the research that says what do we need to do what can we expect students who are first gen low income underrepresented what do they need to do over time to close the gap and graduation rates they need to be resilient. They need to be persistent and they need to have that time to get to their degree. So we don't know at this point whether or not we will be successful or expectation is that building persistence. Building resilience will be key and helping students to be successful and understanding what do we need to do in terms of interventions there are things that we have built. There was more that we know we need to do. I have certainly changed the screen in the admissions process from the first year where it was being executed fairly broadly to the last several years making sure that I'm the person that ultimately signs off on students coming in test optional to be certain that we have a screen that's consistent So that we're sure that it was the the way the admissions process is working is making sense really identifying students who have the characteristics that show they are likely to be successful. And we don't need to see an SAT score to really know that in terms of supporting students who have come in via this pathway the support is evolving as well going from simply identifying who came in this way to having the blue hen success collaborative developing interventions having a staff now on board advocates who can support populations of students who are more likely to be risks to do particular kinds of interventions that the Summer Program that the traditional GET ahead program is evolving into a get ready program so that students who have the characteristics that show they're capable of being successful but not the preparation that we're working on their preparation early. So a lot is evolving that would suggest we can move forward and like the other institutions who have gone in this direction likely be successful in saying in identifying students who who can succeed at the University of Delaware and provide that additional opportunity. And we don't know that for a fact yet. So I was appreciative of the opportunity to just tell you where we are. And then >> Wait for your counsel in terms of how we carry this forward and what that process maybe questions this movie or percentage resolution. If you have a question Does your short they questioned yeah. Humans gentrified from anthropology. I was just wondering what sort of other resources we're offering me. Like I knew I had to inner midterm grades but as a new faculty member I'm somewhat lost on what the other specialized assistance is available for the students because it seems like they need it and I don't know what they are. I don't know. I just thickness as new faculty but what can we get to them to help me >> Those numbers and I think that that's an excellent point that part of what we need to do it is through the center for research and teaching. Begin to come together with the expertise that tells us here some specialized pedagogical tactics that might be particularly effective in supporting. First gen low income students and part of that is being developed and part of that also needs to become much more robust. But it's a great question. I'll go ahead and just this year >> S $2 million actually across the university to get professional advice for first-year students. Some success advocates have bought has happened during these three years. Was it all in place that first year then Okazaki and of course other people have helped to she's been a real driver for putting it goes program. Our history I'd like to give her my question should have been trilobites from medicine. We're seeing including UW presented someday. They talked about the students who were Tests option. But did you also dig a little deeper to see compares apples to apples >> Students who weren't of the three categories you mentioned in how they did against peers who did it with their tests. And so you're talking about the students who weren't you know see what their performance would look at that and if their interests in looking at that in a future Yes so the actual research has done by showin who is who's a researcher in the enrollment management group. And she has some additional data that we can make available. And and yes we can continue to dig deeper and understand what are those differences and attempt question is one of the original premises was actually admitted students test option that they as a TV no more new data. And so you'd expect it to do the same or better than students who were admitted the test scores. And that might be a good way to really kind of round out at their original assumption. Yeah. That's a good point. I would just clarify that the SAT doesn't give additional data for for final outcomes that the discovering that that high school grades and SATs by themselves SAT is a good predictor of first-year GPA. So if you are really well-prepared you're gonna do really well your first year of more likely in terms of GPA what it doesn't account for is all of the other variants that ultimately leads to graduation. So we might in fact see differences >> The short term what we need to see is that in the long-term through through graduation week can erase those differences that I wouldn't expect we would erase them by doing nothing. Jim Morrison. Just curious. Do you have the capacity are the how do you intend to go deeper into the student's major example GPA and engineering major and a GPA maybe another major. Maybe two different inferences. Also be interesting down the road or what kind of jobs these students are they similar to >> Your students who are two different approaches. You tend to do that. Uh yes so the outcome state it will be very important. And we'll we'll look at that by by many things including maters for sure and that's something really think about deeply in the admissions part already like if I I need to see if I'm gonna pull somebody into an engineering curriculum and I don't have an SAT score then something there needs to suggest that they can be successful in that academically rigorous curriculum. And so it would be a student would be much less likely to be admitted to engineering in that in that particular case Fred Hofstetter from the School of Education. So I want to congratulate you I think this is a great report you've put together. I'm a as you know I was a big supporter of trying this and I would I would be a big supporter of extending the pilot. I'm a little bit worried now about the timeline because our next meeting will be in February. And you need an answer for spring admissions for people who are applying. So it seems like we're going to have to decide this in February. So what does that look like I mean does a resolution need to come to the fore so what's that process so you must realize this right like the executive committee and as a LAN or at what's that going to look like between now and February senate meeting we run graduate study. It's making its way through that. Uts subgroup. Okay sounds good. And now this is for the class that enters in fall of 21 so it's not the class entering next class after but yes we're gearing up to regroup. Charlie bust. Computer engineering. One of the goals was to increase the enrollment of first-generation minority students et cetera. Or have you survey the test optional students and found out what is implied with an SAT SAT HER required and who would not have applied. If SATs were required and how many of those who would not have applied that we actually did admit we'd have not. So we're just making it inferences based on those seem that that would be kind of obvious thing to look at. But anyway thank you. This time. If you've got thanks very much for that just strikes me that it's not obvious even if we obviously the efforts to close the gap with GPA and retention and so forth very important. But it strikes me that if we can't do that if that turns out to be quite consistent it doesn't follow that were doing the wrong thing in this. It seems that we can. You can always select people who are going to do fine and pretty much whenever we do that I'm going to define but it could well be that the people are missing in this are actually getting more of a benefit from the education in terms of more of a boost type what they would've had if we haven't gotten much opportunity than maybe the ones that find it easy to sail into the sort of upper three is for that API. So just like that >> Point out that it doesn't seem to me at least obvious that the mantle is whether we can close this guy Very good point. Thank thank stuff richer. Because they read philosophy sorry. Is there any new business and I would like to introduce this talk before seeking emotion to end the meeting I just want to wish everyone and enjoyable and safe. How it's even season and break and safe travels for those of you heading overseas for study abroad. And I look forward to working with everyone in the spring semester. So I have a motion for the under me. So my second favorite. Well thank you very much
Faculty Senate Meeting December 9 2019
From Joseph Dombroski December 11, 2019
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