Welcome everybody on this nice warm spring afternoon to the Senate open hearing on a proposal for an MA in speech language pathology. My name is Danny Galileo and I'm the president elect of the Senate and therefore have the privilege of running these open hearings this year. What I thought I would do first is, as some of you know, and probably most of you, the resolution and the proposal was on the march Senate agenda, and it apparently had certain language that the state notified several people here, including the President of the Senate. And we decided at the Senate meeting to pull it and to take things a little bit slower. And this is the original wording of the resolution that had a specific date and mentioned the state of Delaware by name. Now, the there's a new resolution. I mentioned there's two new things or there is a new resolution that is more general, doesn't have a date, doesn't have the state of Delaware mentioned, and barring any unforeseen circumstances. This would be the resolution that's brought forward on the agenda for the April Senate meeting. Another difference that will be explained, not by me, but by the Dean of the College of Health Sciences is that the budget is different than, than the original one. So this has been considered by the coordinating committee for education and it's been put forward to the executive committee, which we'll consider it tomorrow to move forward to the senate. The Coordinating Committee felt that it should be up to the senators to decide, as it always is. And so it was it was put forward out of the Coordinating Committee. So with that, I would like to introduce two people that will be speaking from College of Health Sciences to explain the proposal, which is Dean Cathy Matt and Deputy Dean Susan Hall. They have prepared a PowerPoint short PowerPoint slide presentation which will They will go over and then we will open it up to answer questions. I can answer questions that have to do with the procedure thus far and what the Coordinating Committee has done or why they decided what they did. Questions on the substance of the proposal and so forth will be directed to Dean Matt and Deputy Dean Hall. So with that, I'd like to introduce Dean of the College of Health Sciences, Cathy Mann >> And very much small group. >> We're glad you're here and I appreciate you being here. And what I want to do is just give you a little bit of background and a little bit of conversation about why a speech language pathology program and why at University of Delaware, and why in the College of Health Sciences. And a little bit of the thought and the background behind that so that you might be able to appreciate why we're introducing this new program. So I would say number one reason is that if we look at the program and if sciences and linguistics, we have over about 200 students that are graduating from that program each year. >> Terrific program. >> And many of those students in fact, are very interested and it is their goal to go on and get a speech language pathology certification more than a certification, but that that that occupation. >> And so they are looking for programs. >> And what that means then is at since there is no program in the state, they are applying to align programs outside the state in order to be able to pursue that career opportunity. >> And those are competitive programs. >> So you know, some of the ratios of student applications to acceptances or, or ten to one. >> In some years they'd been as high as 30 to one. >> So it's extremely competitive, I think even on the website on for the program. And actually list, if you want to be able to get accepted into one of these programs, you need to really be looking at a GPA of something like 3.8. So clearly it's very competitive. So there is, so if you look at one end of the pipeline and there is clearly a demand by our students wanting this type of program. And of course, we are one of only two states in the country that doesn't have it in each language becomes g. >> So if we're looking at one end, we've got students who are really asking for this program. >> On the other end of the pipeline, if you look nationally, is what is the demand for individuals with these capabilities? Speech, language pathology. And certainly there is a huge demand and a growing demand. And my guess is a lot of people in the room know the statistics about this even much better than I do. So there's a growing population with all of the screening that is now going on, newborn screening programs with the increases in the number of autistic children and children forum with developmental disabilities. >> There is enormous unmet need in country, and that is certainly true as well in her state. >> If you look at the other end of the timeline in terms of looking at aging populations. This is also an area that is growing very dramatically in terms of the issues around speech and even hearing. They come with aging, and so they're rolling needs in those areas as well. So this has become extremely important. And then of course, if you look at the statistics and everything in terms of jobs for these individuals, because the needs are there, then the jobs are there as well. Once again, as you consider that pipeline, then it really does seem to make sense. We have students who are creating a demand for rub random at the other end of the pipeline. If they're able to get a program like this, then there certainly jobs that they're waiting for them. So these would be the reasons that you would create a program, and it seems like it makes sense. So then the next question might be, why the College of Health Sciences? And I think it, you, why the College of Health Sciences? It actually is a wonderful match to many of the programs that are now in our college, the College of Health Sciences. >> It's changed over the years now. >> It really is brought together all of the areas MZ, than are any of the health professions are really now under the College of Health Sciences. And so it fits in well with their physical therapy program, which is one of the leading programs in the nation. It also fits very well with our new nurse managed health center that we have. And then of course, what you see in the lower portion of this figure is the other thing that is really nice about the timing and sort of makes it the right timing for us is next January 2014. We hope to be moving into, and we are planning to be moving into a building like that on the star cameras. And a major portion of that building will be or clinics. So we have a large physically the clinic that would be there that is used as a base to train our students. And then we have a nurse managed health center which is run by earners practitioners, which is the way that we train or nursing students. >> And so nursing are nurse practitioners and then actually across the college because we're doing inter-professional models. >> So the other thing that's really important about our programs and also is now of her speech pathology program is a speech pathology clinic would also be a part of this program. And so all of those clinics wouldn't eat together. And our model is actually that our students get their training in clinics and embedded by immersion. So they're embedded into our programs, our faculty are, they're training them before they go out and do the receptors. And so again, this would be a really nice fit for all of that. And then the other thing is that this is not the first time that the state has actually been looking at trying to do a speech pathology program. And so one of the questions that might come up in your mind as I think I remember this coming to us before in the past. And he did come up in the past. There was a task force that was done in 2008 and the question was raised, you know, and the state of Delaware, there's really an unmet need and the areas speech pathology. So why don't we do something? Why don't we create a program? And the answer back by the university was no, The need is very large there. We can answer it now. What I would say to you now is that it really does fit our program and it fits our model of the way that we have been moving the College of Health Sciences forward. And so it does make sense now. >> It fits with our programs. >> We have a student need and we have this unmet need at the other end of the pipelines. So the students actually, one's getting these degrees, can get their jobs, but they can also help to me. Unmet need in the state. >> How will that happen? >> Well, part of it is we will have a clinic. So one of the things that we know is that when students training clinic, they are much more likely to then choose to live near. And that's fine grid they trained. So that will help to enhance that the students between here, a larger proportion will be able to stay here than another piece that sometimes can help is a loan forgiveness program until we've also built that into the models here as well. So then that students who come through this program then will be able to do that. Home forgiveness. And that might be another way. But again, SUMIF, look at this in a multitiered approach to really see how we can make this work. Number one, it makes sense for the university. And I think as I've tried to lay out for you, it's a really good fit for our program. And the nice thing is that it really is a good fit. It would be a great time to do it. And then at the same time, the state is interested in this, so they are willing to table and help us with ribbons. Now S has been carefully delineated in the resolution. We would not move forward with this program without all the dollars in hand in external dollars in ordered on this program. And we can talk some more about that in the questions and answer time. It once and more details can then. But I think with this I really like to turn the program over to Dr. Susan Hall, who has been working extensively and has really good together with experts and everything. Just a really tremendous detailed curriculum and detailed budget. >> And she's VIP, working side-by-side. >> And factor F, Many of misinterpret disability studies. And it's really good to have M plus the group of people that they brought together that have really spectacular job. I'm bringing together the details. So I think with bats. >> So I take just a couple of minutes is what Lee of fill you in on some background in terms of what we've invested in, what we've done in putting together the curriculum plan and also related budget for this program. So when the ending reviewing two different state taskforce works provided a lot of nice history in lot of detail with regard to the economy and state. The obvious metric, the number of university going using learning about Watson from their respective colleges to make sure that everyone is fully informed and that we're all on the same page. Or we write in three expert consultants in November through other institutions. Those people were selected primarily because they had all gone through the process in recent years, developing from scratch a master's program in this field. We also need a teleconference with the National, right everybody to make sure that pre-programmed rooms landing is perfectly in line with accreditation environments. And also they have a little bit about the timeline that's required for getting focused program like this. We also reviewed curriculum from a number of other programs, both the top programs in the country and some of those in the surrounding institutions might also mention that we've had the opportunity to also meet with our mistakes and cognitive science, filling them in. Faculty meetings have had several meetings and conversations with their department chair bin brand names. So they are a 100% in the loop on this. Also had wonderful, we've done. The CIO of human development and family studies tend to answer some questions about that person as well. So this is programmable, it's a two here. And since probably the most similar to our university TDS is our fiscal year, which runs you around for a little bit longer period, up to two years. But it involves wild celery. Midterm vs is, is technical programs. There are huge readiness for master's program, 45 academic credits plus it's like six credits of C, a clinical program as fiction does Asian environments. And gradually graduate program will be eligible to apply for certifications. Kathy mentioned that Arabs any in conjunction with the academic program related on Canvas feature Service clinic. Clinic is something that our outside consultants, trauma revise, reconsider launching in conjunction with the program. There are several advantages to this supervision of students when they're just starting out. You don't know anything about patients. So they can get up to speed in a supportive environment before they go out to different clinical sites is false. Provide a service to the community. It promotes synergistic. There'll be some cases example of stroke patients, for example, between speech therapy and visible. And it also enables me to maintain their currency, the wrong clinical skills. So we should've cast out until it, until it comes back up the bottom. Probably see at of estimating all these numbers are at an estimate, but this is our best estimate. The estimates have been meticulously reviewed by mostly university budget, wellness and financial analysts, provost's office. So we have as much as possible in these numbers. And this time, the total support needed before the program is projected to become It is about $4.8 million. It's a lot of these are very expensive programs, too much. We project that getting in each year of operation, the program becomes self-sustaining and it remains self-sustaining thereafter. Why the difference? Because we start to class 15 students. And over this period, we ran my students a year, it's a two-year students, does the program cohorts. And so your vibe of operation. We have 30 students in love, everyone who worked to generating a fair amount of tuition revenue that they've been self-support. Johnson timeline turns out there's a period of a minimum of 18 months between the time that application is first vile accrediting agency and the time that you first hopefully receive permission. And so given that, our current projection is that if we take the next Rob Smith one year to year, how to fund new plan in place and were assured that we will have full funding such as we move forward that which says validly initially were in August 2014 and starting the first acts in September 2016. So we have a lot of work into this proposal cell before, but you can see from the timeline we've still got to do and several years everything falling in place to fruition. And I'm going to stop and open it up for questions, Sheldon. Yeah, it's there to contagion, sources of revenue, the maze, tuition, me. Another potential source is the Atlantic, our churches not shadowed with Linux, generating new first years on. Ultimately the goal for this clinic as food or other Lynch and history traits, duties that learning is not rejected to hold revenue. It's really going to be tuition fees moving, not bulldog who's eating. When we say we want to say, and we were very optimistic. Sees when they say see, definitely less than So that's why we Yeah, I guess the other thing, so we're dialogue. >> So what we're saying here in how we change the resolution is we change the resolution to simply saying that we're not going to do this program unless we have a complete funding before we start. >> And that's certainly something that I would say that we would not do as a college. No, I figured out exactly how yields. And so the thinking was, was that we really needed to first, number one, find out if we could get approval and agreement. The University of Delaware, we can in fact do this once we get agreement and we can go and try and find me, I'm okay. >> So I will acknowledge people who would like to ask questions or make comments. And please, before you do so, at the beginning of your question or comment, please state your name for the the, the podcast. Yes, sir. Thank you, Danny, this is John Morgan from the Department of Physics and Astronomy. And I should say at the outset, rather sympathetic to the idea of starting a speech pathology program. >> Because believe it or not, when I was a little kid, I had some issues which with speech that were addressed in the in the public schools in Daytona Beach, Florida. >> And I do have some concerns, however, which are of the $0.$1 variety, I think there are two of them. Two of the most important are the following. One is that one of the issues that was raised in the 2008 report and the task force is that the salaries for qualified speech pathologists and the Delaware public schools or not really additive with those nearby states. And my fear is that we could invest a lot of state money and perhaps a lot of university of delaware money. In times when budgets are tight in starting a really good program that does a really good job of training well-trained speech pathologists who instead of working in the new arc high-school, will get jobs within 20 or 30 minute drive in southeastern Pennsylvania or New Jersey or Maryland. And so something I would really like to see before we vote on this in the senate is a typical salaries are for speech pathologists and the Delaware public schools compared with those for speech pathologists in southeastern Pennsylvania and southern New Jersey and Northeastern mirror. >> And I just like to see that. >> And I'd like to hear what the state is planning to do to make sure that the salaries of speech pathologists and the Delaware public schools are competitive with those in the neighboring cabinets. >> History >> You solve it. And time is certainly didn't see us as students, especially so that in fact is us eat, eat. Where he see these for these challenges to E plus E. >> E is for schools. >> So yes, we certainly see in the personal relationship is when they say this is that if you try and use those to try and improve conditions. I think the other thing is that this, the people choose to take jobs in places not only because it's ours or other reasons as well. So there may be other things in addition to having individuals trade here. And they also have opportunities that will happen to them as their training interconnects or they're treating somebody preceptorship slot. So they developed relationships and things like that or other things that tie them to these places. But certainly it would be wonderful to have those rates increase as well. And that of course, and again, probably going into all the details of this, but a bit of a 2012 taskforce that looked at this issue said that the real stuff and this actually going to be unroll types here, oppress and, and that evolved from those discussions as well. But you know where they have their speech pathologist and you have speech pathology assistance. And so then you're able to have some through the diagnostically says while working on the intervention. And so then that also might be able to get that workforce. >> And that's all I got that's important in my state of Delaware or some other jobs, schools where they are a lifespan with stroke patients, TBI patients, individuals with hearing loss. In the second row, it's the aging demographic just increasing access to a radars that we know. It's a recent nationwide. >> It's actually increase it to a greater extent than against nation. >> And so that demand is there. >> That's 50% of the jobs now that's going to be rolling in the future. And I've never heard him say the salaries of their pain. And Christianity air, for example, our love for people. >> As speech pathologists saying, is there a shortage? >> Which is S literally says, well, it's, it's well-documented in those two taskforce reports state we gotta we gotta Todd ROI or return on. His wife is a speech pathologist, Todd Karl Marx, about I and an E, or in the same school districts, they often contract for disability. >> The school district where they have to because they get a chance. Ok. >> Martha, absolutely terrible. Nsc. I know that this is my question about this proposal is really it's it's nuanced and it comes from the fact that I am feeling human studies lead you lifespan. >> So the greater degree, absolutely. >> Editors, genealogies and road area as the need for people to very young children as well as to the keto system, my eyes. So I think that that's also where my interest was key in his proposal because because well, I'm an intimately involved in front of a political nature, me services as the number and also on the senate committee. And and so what I found interesting about it was that it seemed like there a lot of faculty that can effect it looked like it was an administrator. So I was just wondering about that at the end of this spoken with linguistics and cognitive science and so their heads. But he would have been interesting as a faculty member development and family studies where Dr. video is a faculty member known about this. >> And I appreciate your comments. And I guess I would respond in a couple of ways. One is that back in August would nevertheless, you're due George Watson and Nancy for counsel in a number of others. One of the important question for us at that meeting was involved and who can help us with the development of these materials. And we were told that there's one person on candidates witness expertise and As-Sahab Media course. And I specifically mentioned a couple other factor Aim should this person I was talking about. And so I would say an honest effort to find out with our consultants involved that that's that that's that's what we were told. Having said that, I don't want to say, you know, sir, and we're hopeful that this this, this draft curriculum and ask the Senate in April. But one of the first things we won't dare once we plant this chair, higher founding director for the program and get that person on retainer probably forever for year four, we'd rather than full time. My assumption would be that a founder, directors have looked back over the curriculum material, what they're gonna hopefully not start either from square one, but I will certainly revisit things and I would expect some tweaking it get metal to go on to say. And others in human development and family studies or other units on campus want to have what we in our, in our college, we will take all yeah. And that's that's pretty much all the way along for everything. >> And I probably don't even need to add to what citizens that but it certainly is. I mean, this is exciting to hear this because the division are all things that we're doing are really how much land? >> And it's interdisciplinary. >> And it was at some point somebody has to take the b and try and try and figure out how it works with all of the other pieces in place. I was consistently told keep it as simple and we'll just move it forward this way we can get is crucial. I think Susan has well articulated the plan would be we then reach out and pull all these other pieces in. And is why it's such a good grief is because there are so many areas across the university that actually and really add to this program. Really, sir? >> Yes, sir. >> I'm now Kevin School of Education here at the university. I certainly was Advisory Council for exemption tuned for six years. >> So timidity that studies the speech language, mineralogy issues and stayed in it. We advise the state Department of Education in their activities. >> I'd like to speak it firstly issue, the differential sins states. >> That's it, that's it. >> We'll study. >> It's a lieutenant governor well aware of this differential it exists for teachers is they too? >> And yet we don't lose all on teachers to mushroom each state. There are other factors that make most of the goodwill. >> It's just most of the weekend to meet at some other time. >> I take exception to that, but but so there are factors that you alluded to that trade you there factors in which you have roots that started to be set in. And even if we maintain amplitude, people that come out of the program state that's an advantage, I should say. Oh, this doesn't really speak to the issue of whether the program itself >> Where where people eventually go to the issue of helping address needs. Needs that is longstanding problem when it exists for us. The, the need in this state, we have studied that on infinitely there aren't shown with speech language needs that are dealing with therapists that have caseload and some districts of 200 to one. And we you know, we as a as a concept is a concept that advises the governor that's a serious issue for humans and for children, for our citizens in the state. >> So that's well documented. I support the program and and I think that the issues turning on the financial issues of 10x or whether people stay in the school of and we offer a master's level course in augmentative and alternative communication taken maybe my speech language people in the schools or teachers who want those competencies that often has taught them, of course, was the special ed faculty in the School of Education would be willing to help you in any way that we could. >> Yes, Sir. >> John, for communication that we go back to the spreadsheet, the financial year five, you say most of that $2 thousand in revenues coming from tuition. But if my phone didn't just both U, that means each dues paying $40 thousand. >> And change intuition, I question whether that's right and whether you get 60 people who bails 50 billion a year for a license or share that are first-class. 26. Her analysis question structure these institutions around a thousand. >> And so that's exactly where I said we started programs tuition free or salmon roe, surely that would be a reasonable tuition level. At a point in time. The tuition is a spreadsheet, is to go 100% for your sweat university graduates wishing to refine roofs and when you see the universe. Because we have also built into the Belgian severe sentences, resident tuition scholarships But in the slow socialists, you're her class, those jobs will be divided that it uses for goodness programs, right? That's, that's also built in to help us track the various operations, say Canada privacy, among other graduate students at me and he spoke raises huge cabinets. >> I'm sure anyone who has not spoken yet that would like to say something or I go to Professor Morgan. Yes, sir. >> Terrific proposal. >> I myself worked as a researcher for at any rate, notice for clinical purposes for research. The language is disunity dishees. >> Yes, yes. English is established and reached here once we get to that place. And I think we will, we will get established on segwayed into their existing undergraduate concentration science question for program for your partner primarily. So that's one another. As residual discussion with an American flag is set, your mind or your college life supports a limited number. Our graduate assistant for students in this program, the negative symbol over horses or assist with instruction in your department. So we entered into the synergies of these symbiosis between the two nodes. >> So anyone else who hasn't spoken Yes, sir. Do could come here or this broker BDD invisible distributors are consulted along the way. A geeky like this was a, we recognize Administrative derived vision for BWA or distribute the lack of ability to encourage kidneys Y, input into making a speech. >> Or maybe they did all that. >> Signs and as well as be brief in the same way as a researcher, just to remind me to do a lot of us because things, mythology, just like any visible very crossroads profession. >> For example, I mean, we had developmental psychologists like myself were also PTs and physiologists were also eighties. Biologists were also BT, speech language pathology, BBA therapy. >> In terms of education funding, they have their own institute Theatre on study sections. I exit. >> It has five-year Catholicism searchers. >> So, and I think maybe this is something outside or very much, I think PDS encourage others to even think big. >> Think about something that involves deep assistant, associate, and full professor researchers, scholars because they come in and they're very much a student as inclinations are. The researcher, as my god, persuasion is almost always somebody else as well. >> For basic sciences in B2B, love collaborative medium-sized AMI operations, but also is the same language. So just one other school. >> Oh, yeah. >> Strawn. Thank you. John, we're going again, I have a question along, John. Court writes about the tuition. It's easiest to do the calculation in the first year where the average tuition works out to $42 thousand, which is exactly the number you mention. Now, I'd like to understand where your estimate came from because I did my own little survey of looking at the website of Temple University, which has a top 30 ranked program in speech pathology, where I thought I saw that the tuition was about $31 thousand for out-of-state and at Westchester or I have a printout, it says that the out-of-state tuition is around 24 thousand and the in-state tuition would be around 16 thousand. And so I I'd really like to see the basis of the calculation that resulted in 42 thousand as being sort of the market price for what you'd be able to charge. >> And especially if you're going to start out is an accredited program, you're probably not going to be able to charge the average tuition. >> It's probably going to be more toward the lower end. And may also say, especially if you think that you have, I don't know the composition of your undergraduate majors, but if they are mainly from instead and they might want to stay here where they're currently paying 10 thousand a year in in-state tuition or they suddenly going to be a pay 42 thousand a year? I think that's a question that really needs to be thought about. And I'd like to really like to see some numbers to back up the statements that are made. >> I don't know. I can't cite the tuitions of for all the institutions that I've Bogota, we looked at that a little bit. Temple, I forget what the other, other's work, but we looked at quite a number of surrounding institutions and for freight figured out over where we're not really worried about people with Westchester, that we don't think that the quality program offered in Westchester, who is going to be commensurate with what we got for the University of Delaware. And same for per 1000 views. >> It's even worse because you're starting now. >> These, these programs do not start another provided it in order to admit the first student would happen for revision on renovation provisional accreditation for five years, after which time we can become fully credited. But honestly, to demand three, I can show the demand for these programs nationwide is so extreme that the average number of advocates for C is ten. And many for them, for the top ranks, it's a lot higher. >> These, these, these C 12 seats. >> Welfare, there's, there's no question that may be true. >> But again, if somebody has taken at it's going to have to be like $84 thousand in logarithms to pay to two-year tuition for this program are they tended to stay and where the salaries are low or they're going to move to another state where the salaries are much I think that's a question that really needs to be one of that or answer. >> Any thoughts? Again, we are creating a program because it's very well with our other programs. And it is a natural development that really comes out research, education, it fits very well with that companies, there's certainly a need throughout the country in addition to our state. >> And so students are coming in here and they're getting his program. >> It has to have all the programs at the university at the same time. It adds 22 also remaining individuals to then go out and get employment, whether it is in a state or another state. So it's nice and fun in a way that Western Europe continues. We're going to answer all the needs in state. Or we may or may not mean fiber for the creation and try to create this program. It's sad to me as a university and what programs and what needs our nation, why and how this all is. It would be irresponsible of us to create a program and has no students on one side and no opportunity for employment in the other side and absolutely has no impact on society that I think would be really irresponsible at a high price here. You've got a student to Man, you've got it in place for that. You've got a program. We've already got our basis for it, and we've got a plan in place area. Thinking about all of this. We're telling you we're not doing this unless we have the dollars to paint with this program. I think that's pretty yeah, that's true. >> It would just imagine that the state legislature is not really very interested in investing several million dollars in a program that will, if, if it isn't primarily going to be training young people who will address issues within the state of dumb. >> Okay? >> But remember what your theory is, whether R3 as for the universe and what we want. In this lesson, we're going to come from the acidic because they're very interesting, come from other places and look with Scatter and more. >> Atlas starts to do your smartphone. >> This is C two equation for quality, which I agree with you to see. The oneness honestly is that we do right now, what we need is the pathogens to do. >> And me, you need to think about an even bigger when we're faculty involved beyond just the faculty to Cleveland at this fleeting yields played much of a ladies man in administratively faces that have tended to do some good houses somehow to bringing faculty. But it was clearly stated to us, and in the case that there is only one faculty member at the University of California was about, as I said, Gregg. So lawyers who teach in this program, you have to write. So we had to hire a startup program a week to do this program. And says, already described to you and we are talking about all the other since it can make it a signature program AND always uppercase. And that's why it really makes sense to do this, because it really is a sentence and the capabilities and the tower or other. >> But there is a process of earth within that program math, a total of work so that we get in clinic as well. >> But it's where they start to get adapted to Delaware, but there's no profit. Students have to do here, but they have to go into a site and spent entities in an old boy certification. >> But you're afford a doctor or a hospital or school moron. >> And where students do a balance sheet here is where we ended up getting a job. >> And so we have reason to really aid or students, not just students. >> We're going to be training there. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And he was captured nicely and interested in going into speech language, taking courses and humbling to go to tensile and looking to go to one of the top programs that I think those who tuples the closest one. As a top program, I needed to go to mass or places like that to deliver and such. Is that I'm, I'm wondering I'm a little nervous or I guess wondering about and I like to as, as everyone does. But it's with a very, very tough, very tough leaking Go to get into it with this program. Eventually you see Jimmy, I agree. >> Way probably in reading. And so let's program very conscious. They'll only get five original information. They basically eligible. And we'll say that we have every intention launching this with absolutely. Desk that builds Yeah. Oh, wait. Reasonable. So seldom to attract an excellent one site or MS with adjacency towards the program. Nationally ranked, say yes, physical sensation, rho, star and go. Wow >> Show me the Committee for two years losses was see provisionally, incredibly get renovation. >> But he also thought that the only way Eastern students go to provision was full ride for three years until we had some of those. >> So that's the intuition. >> They'll say aboriginal status after three years because people don't want their third grade muscle as dean a traversal rejections were 12, you? >> Were, they eat this happiness. You gave your goods to mature students, such as we saw in a day. >> Evidence for this process, started a program spoilage conference. Spoke I don't want to use, I'm sorry to say is why researchers seeing wires for subjects and said this is the reason they said, okay, so I I don't think that's fair. >> I'll go to your mom and them to John. >> And under John and position of view, I've been lucky to have an adjunct decision teaching anatomy, physiology to speak to students. And it's also been Westchester reused faculty doing research papers And I say that from a Westchester standpoint, we have 200 plus applicants for 22 positions, so that there's not going to be a paucity of atkins soon admittances school the number of students that apply elsewhere, that students will point to five plus Madras schools, blue here with a 3.5 minimum cubed being considered graduate students for January, top notch. And as program synergy, going to keep those students to come into your programs or to the students and perhaps more clinically focused. >> And I'm also the Program Manager for speech pathology. >> And we're standing here 24 colleges that were planned to me and, and we supervise students doing their clinical grand hymns and allow students as well, linguistics to observe our program in undergrad students, I want to comeback a detail. They go password1 combat positions. You and I believe they will stay here. We offered a program called the interaction with the schools clamps platform field. And your assumption is all started. >> He's showing me what are you saying? That you should consider visited planes of shear rate limits, which curvature, if they don't, they don't fall to your contingency plan. Too few foreigners off your shoes. >> School, I, I don't know. If the students don't know and it will tell me. So I started a program at the university, if we said is programs that engage students. We never had a tuition myself, I do suggest two plans. >> Through suture. >> Sometimes DO Manchu optimistic vesicle. >> Let's say this is very realistic. This is based on hours and hours meetings and ostentatious extended Wesley Rose, financial analysts dogs, this has gone to a state where this is not a job and said, This looks good >> As I said, is something that I find to all time If I release planning vision. >> But at the same time I have a surface model. >> Friday, her absolutely the work. So what you see is really it's a question and she's coming in as full. And this is true for all progress in the College of Health Sciences. We continue to restrict them to say, your favorite flight today here. And they jaws for research, they could come to any loading effect salaries that would also and getting paid for yourselves. So those are also other opportunities. We also again, over time when building the model for the College of Health Sciences where we balance point. Because inside here, the past four years and it had blah, I have projections for the future and have been built by all of our city. And we're in the black going forward plan for the worst case scenarios are very conservative about her. I think your questions are really, really important. And the last thing I wanted to as he expressed my helmet on a new program and I'm going to go I don't want to do that. I have we do not want to do it or try and go into some new space. >> I'll restart that. >> As part of our budget, we have to be able to flow or home dogs and we're versus just battalion were extremely conservative. And so I worry about, and we really are mass why they did all the details for the budget office back and forth provost office to try our members and really our best estimates. And we'll continue to watch this every single time. Again, some of these here, that overall optimism, some of these, It's our thing for me to draw. It forgets that these things will continue to grow bigger. And this, I mean, we are doubling the size of our fiscal error. May have more. I'd say it's true for nurses in our cars. I mean, notice this I get every day or so were were not heard or student enrollments should join. >> Would you be willing to defer your common for a minute to the gentleman who hasn't spoken science to the school you're pushing as i seats at the beginning, vigilant before the proposals and money is is their enslavement as a great plan? >> And I'm going to ask more about your homes. >> These are the state in which you've been talking to the state. >> And so I'm interested in in Gibson said earlier also that the issue of meeting the needs of your thoughts in the state of Delaware, that multi carrier quotients necessary to intercalates into the state of, you talked about the state of markets and kind of quieter initiative where they wanted to minister to fund his program. >> Trying to read this out, what do the statement might be talking about? >> This program >> Levels of that. >> So I was asked for 2012, my co-chair of the taskforce with data gave us from the university. And we did, we did, although fact-finding is a follow-up to an entity on taskforce. And so video is on then it has for us as well. And so it was really again, sort of gathering the data where we where we also brought in Delaware Science Alliance for newborns and TK, you as well to really think about that whole piece. So that's apart that follow task force. Then what came out of that? And it's very similar to what else, what, what others have talked about Anthony to raise salaries. Multitiered approach. How do we attract students? And how they tracked people who finished these programs to stay here. And he had people particularly differently that is built into the program to try to get people to stay here. I also say on the Delaware mission, and one of the things that aren't dealing with this year on that mission is looking at workforce development. So the C, slowing in all of these issues, looking at salaries and help me track people. Anyhow, he raised salaries or looking at things around licensing individuals, helping make that process better so that individuals will choose to stay here and be able to get their license. So there are other avenues to work on that. In terms of this proposal I had, I guess I will go back to to my to the way that I approach this question. And the question was that we saw me to develop a speech language pathology program that really fit. We want them to see that Susan went out. You talk to many people across the university to see if the university is willing to do that is step number one. And so we can get through to here and in fact we'll go or stay. We did a report with say as it was last season, and I went and met with Lieutenant Governor Valerie bonkers and a couple other representatives from the house to actually talk about where we were and what was the result of talking to all of the experts? The decision to both the model and what was the budget so that they could see it, ANOVA or the university to come back to them to say This is what we need from the stage. And then we need to take that into the legislative process. So that's that's where we are on that. I think we felt that our job is to get a smooth through all the stages. I'm still questionable procedures. >> How can this curious, which are reasonably easy to read to be interested in business speak, logically worthy for the status. When you look at the other clinical education, excuse me, different kinds of rewarding. >> So they know this is setting up a primary esthetic anyway, they definitely would like to finance a portion of this. We don't know what that number is, e And all those details and discussion is, I don't know that you're going to notice is I mean, my understanding they eat the steak. >> We started, John, thank you. >> I'd like to follow up a little bit at what Sheldon said. >> I think there are some fundamental differences between the job market for lawyers, in the job market for speech pathologists. And another, another connection as a speech pathology is that some 20 years ago when I was a visitor, I rented a room tabs for the lady who was a vacation a speech pathologist. >> She got her bachelor's degree at the University of Iowa, which was rated number one in the country 40 years ago. >> And she got her degree and is still rated number one country. She's recently moved from the Boston area to New York City, where she's waiting to be licensed to practice in New York. And she told me that she's typically getting one or two job offers a week. Right. >> And she told me that a typical salary for a speech pathologist is around $90 thousand a year. >> So I think that's very different from the typical market for recently trained lawyers, right? But it raises another question which I have just sorted along with what Dr. Quart rod was asking about, which is that I think number one, we certainly don't want to start this program unless it quickly becomes a very prominent, right? I mean, I just, I looked at some of the writings of some of the other schools from which some of you are consultants, came like the best. Was rated number a 106 in the country, right? >> And then there was like a 169 or whatever in US News and World Report. >> And then Calvin College isn't even ripe yet, right? So I think we would quickly want to move into the top tier, right? >> We would quickly want to be competitive with Temple, which is in the top 30 right now. >> I have a question about how you're going to hire the faculty to teach in this program. >> You're going to have a director. You're planning to hire five faculty at a salary of around 90 thousand a year, which I don't know whether that's edited for a teacher in university, but one question I would have is the rank which will be higher in these five faculty as C and T, T's? Or would you be hiring them on the tenure track? Or would you to get too quickly rise to prominence, which you actually have to be offering them endure immediately upon arrival, we would look to be helping Director for leadership. >> Inherently interrelated stat we are or multiple fields on hiring of a different race. Most tenured track we would we would expect and hire one or two senior. Your comment much too, with greater existing research funding and help jumpstart your research in this area. But I think a whole program probably doesn't necessarily start with 500 professors we want, oh, that are coming up through the branches as well as those who are accomplished. But it's going to follow the recommendations of the founding director. We do anticipate will be how much someone who's contributing acquire such senior faculty for suitability, tennessee yields. That's the average. We came up with that because it's currently the average pattern to sell an apologist Health Sciences Center itself. >> Higher. >> Saul's son that's so high. >> Is there someone else who has a comment or a question? >> No more. >> Okay. Well, thank you. >> Thank you for coming, Dean Matt, and Deputy Dean Hall, and thank you all for coming.
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