Thank you for coming. >> My name is jihad. >> I am the president of faculty senate. >> Welcome to the universal fact Senate opportunity for reorganization of the College of Education and Public Policy. Let me just tell you how we are going to proceed today. >> We have you have the agenda. >> We're 18 speaker. >> So we have two eyes. >> We have to be out of this room by six. >> Normally. >> I was planning to see if we could maybe stay Herzel at six thirty six forty five, but that's not going to happen. So here's what we're going to do. >> We have to change the CAPM and we'll have it normally begin right to everybody who wanted to speak it open here, I might say. >> So since we have 18 speakers, easily get everybody 70 minutes, they will be just just speak and then don't discuss anything. >> You said that what I would like to propose, normally we call the speakers. >> They know that they have a day about five minutes. >> Instead, we're going to give every four minutes. So it has to be very condensed. >> It has to be very to the point. >> And whatever that you think that they would like to say, say it ordinance sharp mesa is going to be a timekeeper here. He's raising his hand when the speaker, one with which not a lot of time as you know, it's only formulas. >> So when the three-minute heads he has the timer, is gonna raise his hand to let me say let me wrap up. >> And then rent formulates comes, we will cut you. >> So I don't want to be rude to you, but please know that we have to get a chance to speak. >> Also, let me tell you that this session is audiotape, not videotaped already. >> Macro discussion section off that already. >> I I would like us every single of you please state your name before you say anything. >> This way we will typically mean It's it's all getting because I've said this is going to be made available to Senator author title said before in a meeting with this, I would like to go inside if I would like to give the floor to o before I start with John Madison. >> There's couple of changes in the agenda that either order. >> So number three, jeremy lewis. >> He's going to talk as number 12 and dumping of Yandi, she's going to speak as number three. And if you have a way to give Provost apple a chance to heavy is four minutes. And at the end, he's worried. >> You wrap up. >> We've got a little bit and only that. Okay. >> Perfect. >> Got any questions before we start egypt? >> Thank you. >> I'm John. That's on the personal lack of the faculty senate in this yarn mapping as the chair of the coordinating committee on education. >> What I want you very quickly, just to give you a little bit of a refresher on the structure that that we said show you where the barriers for halters are in terms of moving through the faculty senate and then briefly introducing the topic that we haven't me. >> And so very quick review. >> Folly coming out of college or unit talking propulsive. >> It comes to the Faculty Senate. >> If it's an undergraduate academic program, that was moved again. >> But I'm steady schematic for the graduate program in graduate studies. >> If it's spanned both programs, both communities would see would see again in proposal >> They have a chance to discuss review recommend that would then move on to the coordinated community education. >> That's the chair of the of the I'm the acting chair of that particular Sunday. From that point, again, regia, we might go back or forth in undergraduate, excuse me, back to coordinate. >> You can coordinating that goes on through executive committee executive who then review recognized university faculty senate. >> So when you see all that verbiage about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's the process that we've gone through. >> So from your undergraduate graduate studies committee coordinating onto onto executive. >> So where we are now as we're entertaining basically two motions that have been brought forward to us that we can eat that we're dealing with at this time. And the first one is request with a move of fashion apparel studies from from the College of education, public policy, and College of Arts and Sciences. >> That proposal has been reviewed by my undergraduate studies give anybody granted status. >> Can convenient undergraduate studies looked at based on information how to apply the recommended that there be an additional whereas to the resolution basically stating that the department won't go back once it moves and then you call it review. >> It's a given program, it changes need to be made. >> They will be made to that to that department. >> Graduate studies basically, let me see. >> There was no impact on the graduate academic program. >> The coordinating committee met and by about nine to 0, we have voted to recommend this move and it will now be in front of the executive committee. >> And that's the first thing that we dealt with. >> The second thing that that Coordinating Committee has dealt with, and that is the resolve that a new College of Education, human development, will be formed from the School of Education and Department Human Development Studies and their affiliated sense that went to the Undergraduate Studies Committee at this. Why they taking no formal action audio, or waiting for information to be obtained from this open hearing. >> The graduate stays Committee on review, this saw that had never tapped undergraduate program. >> They did not make a formal recommendation. >> The Carnegie many has met and discussed this and by about a to 0 at one extension has recommended a formation of this new college and has moved out for the Executive Committee. So that's where the Coordinating Committee has role on those two opera causes. While we have not do not do that to me, what we have not yet looked at is the School of Urban Affairs in public policy. We have not act upon that because we have no formal recommendation chat. >> Because as the faculty that school that's still in negotiations and discussions with their teams with a prowess not where that's rule well wanted that. >> So therefore, we have nothing that we can deal with a review at the stake. >> Okay. Well, he might the second example. >> I'll thank you for giving me this opportunity to speak in. >> My remarks will be short as well. And thank you, John, for giving that summary. This is, I think one of the great examples of what we're dealing with faculty governance. And, and I am happy to see that the fashion proposal has move forward through the to the stage of executive committee. Marsha was wonderful. >> Invite me to meet with their advisory board, which is here on campus today. >> That advisory boards also peer support >> This move and we heard that this morning in their meeting. >> So I plot that result. I also buoy to see that the formation of new college has moved up to the executive committee. This is an extremely important issue for a large number of faculty who have voted overwhelmingly at an eight to one ratio, which is astonishing in any academic environment to form this new college. >> So I'm very happy to see that this is the will of the faculty. >> And I think I also buoyed by the statement that one of the faculty who mentioned that he was surprised that how, how impactful the faculty will as expressed in, in January over this has resulted in actions taken. So I'm very happy to see that the poles are moving forward as well. Clearly look at the agenda that the real issue we have to deal with today is, is what happens with the schoolroom affairs and public policy. And this is probably the main issue to talk about today. And I'll just say that in my feeling there are two possibilities and we should hear about those in the open hearing today. >> But one that it's no secret I finished is that what I feel is a better alignment of that schools to move the arts and sciences where we can strengthen the social sciences. We can develop translational research where we can better align the faculty of the university where students are. We can, in the discussion section, we did develop that idea more. >> And so I, I feel they, they align their better. >> A side issue, not the reason to do this is that I think their financial security as far better there. >> And just because we're now in RGB will monitor their particular mode of operation is not going to be particularly strong in the RGB model. So the RGB model was about aligning students and faculty and having a tuition closer. >> So I don't have much more to say. In the School of Urban Affairs, Public Policy, you will hear from, I believe, a very large segment of their faculty and hear their issues. >> They do have the option to form their own college. I understand they once were and we can have that discussion. >> Thank you. I don't ******* like the third speaker. >> Jeremy lives down in Datalog Ganesh or you as Downtown Iliadic. >> And this will burden affairs and public policy. >> That first of all, thanks, thanks to the Senate for having the, the open open meeting. >> And I'll go quickly, but I'm going to present quickly is a timeline of the events leading up to the to the question of reorganization that out of the school other than the college. >> And I don't mean this Mississippi tedious, but it does speak to the speed with which remarkable speed with which this is being done. >> In December of of a of 09, there was the school met with the provost's office and it provided them with a, with a document explaining the mission and the programs. >> Calvin College School in, in, in in in the middle of January. >> The college and department isn't an APR was discussed with college academic chairs that changed by the by the middle of February. >> In it in the middle of February, there was a meeting with the college council regarding reorganization and or add as if given that began with include the fact the unspool that vegetation in late February being GAO report discusses the reorganization with academic chairs at a monthly meeting. >> Again, this is this is quick. >> In in February on to 27, the AAUP contacts Provost of Apollonia indicates a university bylaws require votes by the faculty to affect any educational reorganizations. >> On three on, on, on March second, the official plan for your organization was sent by Provost Apple to Dean McGowan McCormack, who shared it with the academic chairs. >> The official plan consists of a four sentences. >> Until that time we had seen a written document on 38, we're powerless. >> Apple met what the schoolroom, the fairest faculty at, discussed reorganization on 311 of those animals. >> Sends us an email to the gamma form it saying that this invention under SEWA, this eventually the money supporting throughout we will move to the College of Earth, will move to arts and sciences with or without the people who are supported by that's, that's, that's for that comment. That's that that's three Latin. >> So the idea that, that, that, that we could make, make an informed choice, but outside pressure about about about financial arrangements difficult to support. >> Letter from on on March 15th, letter from from being productive, Provost Apple, suggesting a cease and the reorganization efforts at at at this point, beyond fashion and and apparel design. >> On that same day, the dean resigns, effect that April. >> April one. As opposed to going through thank you very much. >> As opposed to going through the the the subsequent pieces of information. >> I think what's important to understand is since they have from from April 15th two now essentially has been a discussion with Dean Watson, provost Apple, about an MOU that would, that would help that width under which Urban Affairs might go into the College of Arts and Sciences. >> The problem with that MOU has been there, there had been no guarantees for the financial support of urban affairs in that, as the moon goes, the suggestion that suspension only goes to colleges is incorrect in that Provost Atlas suggested that this invention for HDFS, Human Development Studies, will go with them when they go to the school of education. >> It, what's remarkable about it again, is that we're not suggesting that we should do anything more. >> Sorry. >> Just be treated like everybody else. >> Thank you. >> Jim Morrison >> Yeah. >> Can you hear me again as President for Education Policy Council? >> Council. I just wanted to just say a few remarks about process. Are colors councils, like the Senate version, you guys the tabulates, the academic college organization, allocation of resources. >> I think our discussion on this reorganization restaurant in February, and I think the issue of the College Council, members of the council, Jeremy felt that the government was undermined and the Council really wasn't aware until we really get a strong member, the chair Human Development Studies department at February meeting. >> And he was strongly disavowing, I guess, the relationship with this deployment with this new college. >> And it was a strongly worded memo that he delivered to the council. >> And I think that set the tone for the council. >> So we were surprised for the reorganization. That memo. >> I think the three issues that evolved council discussion was the lack of communication. >> You really seem to be a lot of misinformation. >> Representatives weren't really united as we kind of information they were getting. >> They thought the provost really wasn't open, given the information clearly and consistently. >> And second, if you had to deal with the timetable that brought the timetable was unrealistic. >> I mean, the proposal came to our council meeting in March and he interact easily explained, It's behind the Huffington Post. >> We interacted with a pathway for his timetable, will surely be wishing for it. >> April first response watch became critical. >> First Turns out, I don't want you to come to university senate counsel, but that was for large realistic time. 2. >> Third was the RB be IP information that academic years we're getting and we were getting seemed to be unreliable or very confusing are we couldn't we couldn't document information as if it was valid. >> And so there seem to be a flaw. >> Information coming with the people who are the big piece of benches. >> I guess I just wanted to let it be known that the Council really thought that this was a rush to judgment. You really didn't have time to take them all to our intervention. >> We had unfair to a snowboarder and appears and public policy, especially being asked to respond so quickly, come up with alternatives, you know, in a two-week period. >> So I just thought that now that I guess three, calcium is very concerned with the lack of respect, I guess. >> Thank you. >> Number five And boiling. >> Yes. >> I kept wondering why somebody has Drake. >> I wanted to speak adverts issue. I want to thank a couple of points to be any proposed reorganization of school education affects the seven secondary equation programs administered through the history department. >> We work very long and very well as many of, you know, School of Education. >> And we continue to hope to consult with that relationship to continue. I'd like to make two quick points. >> I don't have a strong position. >> The reorganization. >> And I realize that the issue of Secondary Education at the table and therefore intermediate issue. But there are two areas where I think my colleagues will express concern about the organization. >> First, they simply lack of transparency in the reorganized school education. >> While the ordinary organization was under discussion, there was almost no open discussion at all and very little clear, accurate information made available to us who teach in a program that has a connection with the School of Education. For the faculty who were involved in the program and were not consulted. And in fact, we did not even here for that hard but Reorganization Plan which has since been tabled, I will admit, or that plan which was to move secondary programs out of the college. Mark says into the College of Education that that problem with the under discussion since last fall, although nine we didn't hear about it until the middle of March 2010. >> I may have my dates right. >> And so the lack of transparency and discussions, and I think that's turned, does a great deal. This points is one that I would simply like whatever happened, foolish not to have our colleagues Be very, very well aware of. And that is that secondary programs have been in the College of Arts and Sciences since 1978. >> They have been a national model that defines a National Council. >> Because I'll see you in our program as a leading edge in the training of secondary teachers. These were very high-quality programs. And as a result, the University of Delaware has been out front for 30 years and the training of secondary teachers. We would like to see the proposal to secondary programs out of college horse the sciences tabled permanently. At the very least, we would like to see that if that proposal comes up again, which I think we're up again, that it comes up again, that there be a longer timeline, a much greater discussion, and a clear understanding of the really national prominence that UD enjoys because of the way we do secondary training. >> Thank you, jeff. >> Without warning or worse, reviewers since 1971 or waterfalls five-year terms, routes were seniors weren't born hearing this morning. Phronesis Also this one crosses there's also a question of such decisions made games. Well, well, I think that monkey blocky cannot be put back together. Or you are wondering what Google is looking at a harmful way. Muslim sneaking off. I'm on the softness, on disappointed. That is J J22 cell phone. Its first during which we'll call you get realm and we have other units is not air as checklist won't I have UP approach their university education, according to taskforce, wondered why he or she will report in 1997. 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Also disappointed that we work in a number of us, including me. And waste in the top line works. Actually quote in there and then evaluate suddenly been in there. It's all get forgotten in this move to try to get him a single culture education. So in, in the end, I think that goes to a refresher, were threatened with major Hua Guofeng rebuilding the horse. >> And I, I understand that LD Eunice was wearing this. >> Well, I hope this comes out. And that is why Nigeria speaker number seven, JUMP_NEG. Not yet too late in the fifth week of how we get you to follow up or speak well that you are My name is John than the other vector Punjab. >> I came here, I go from 25 years of teaching and other programs that are in our group. >> I know that word. >> I also know that with that value Professional Programs, Dr. take anything away from the heart of our university. In many ways, I spoke programs are as Mike, low-fat on the jewel of the crown. They're important because they are an important part of our reputation to the highly ranked school professionals, both education and wherever the poet pal, if they are in the College of Education, it is just a major part of the universe to the reputation to happen. >> We need to do take the time and the effort to do this, right? >> It's not I think they'd be dominant. Professionals need to be on their own bottom. I think that they don't flourish when they are part of larger roofing. That theme that happened with the College of Health via that I used to be part of that. Never actually went anywhere and never actually made any headway on, I think that moving the school fun do an independent level very much in our interest that, that WPP, what we're doing here, what we're doing here is moving ones go, wow, and then thinking what Black? >> And I think it's something like that. >> This is the way that he built a great way that it doesn't work out. >> We're going to take a major ten reputation. >> University reputations are made or per lifetime and lat, and long and hard and undertrade. >> Did that. What we're looking at here, if we're not careful, if we're not livers, if we don't spend the time that we need to make the change. >> And when universities change in expectations, change, they do it to allow the school that you meet the expectations of the new. >> It basically give them importantly, I haven't theme for that happening. >> I think we need to rethink this or you get that. >> It ended before work that was begun on would eat well handled >> And Bob handful. >> I was interim director of the School of Education from late 1998 to 2 thousand as of July, first pebble again be interim director of the school. I'm speaking in favor of the reorganization today and I'd like to address what previous speakers have referred to as an unrealistic timetable, remarkable speed, and so on. >> In my view, this has been going on not six months, but for 13 years. >> When the college was formed in 1997, the woman to News Journal ran an article with one faculty member called this The College of etcetera. >> Another faculty member cold at the College of this, that in the other now in those 13 years, there have been many wonderful things that have happened within our college, but they've rarely happened across the college. Geoff's work, I think is an exception. I don't want to give three specific examples of why in many ways we've always been a college of etc.. first, we had a task force report to develop common research methods courses along report that Jeff himself chaired. >> I was a member of the committee. >> Was it ever adopted? >> No. >> We still have separate research methods courses in all our department's. >> Second, we had a task force to consider a common doctoral program and EdD and leadership. >> Was that adopted? No. >> Third, we didn't have a chef undergraduate major. >> Didn't last long? No. >> Was it well-respected? >> No. >> In other words, in many ways, we have never truly been a college. >> In my opinion. >> The proposal before us gives us yet another chance after 13 years of drawing to truly be a coherent College. >> Speaking on mine, Steve, who can't eat, my CEO. >> Lovely intro, steve. >> Okay. >> I'm the Director of Community Research and Service. I'm also an associate professor disclosure policy. >> I join you today, more than 26 years ago, my doctoral studies in urban economics and city planning. And so recently I found to be a very congenial place committed to engaging the world in a student and as a learning laboratory and as an institution committed to working in partnership with government and non-profit agencies to solve important societal problems. >> Right now, right this minute, I'm certainly questioning my beloved university's commitment. High-quality experiential learning opportunities for students to make available to our local communities and to the world that considerable information, knowledge, and skills that precisely around campus. >> I believe that the school urban affairs and public policy and my sector are fighting for their very existence. >> Why is this? >> Why are we? We are one of the best schools in our field in the country and my sadder as one of the most publicly engaged on campus. Since 1972, Community Research and Service was established. >> We'd been working as an integral part of this little Bourbon fairs and public policy did not often carry out research and public service projects that address real world issues. >> And gt, homelessness, racial discrimination, hunger, infant mortality, teenage pregnancy, elder abuse, the decay of our cities, domestic violence, crime and drug abuse, and other issues. >> We actually inconsistently involves students in our research and public service work. >> Produced reports in scholarly articles and books that are used extensively by elected officials and other decision makers. >> What are, what are, what are model does door? >> As faculty, we learned through our substantial engagement in rural and we bring this back into the classroom. So once again, why are we being threatened? Every day over the past two months, faculty, professionals, and salaried staff asked me this question. I don't have a good answer, which I hear. This makes them more threatening and terrified. >> When the pack, the province was developed, my colleagues and I were very pleased with its content. >> Pleased with the principle of Delaware, first of being an engaged university into declared commitments and translational search. These are all things that the school of urban affairs and public policy at my center have been doing for decades. I'm rapidly concluding the language. >> And they've had the prominence is just that line for three years now. >> This administration's attempting to redirect almost $400 thousand in funding that my center receives directly from this data. >> The data overstated General Assembly carry out this important public service programs, including our kids count program or Public Allies program, and our blueprint communities program. >> These state funded yeast that mistake not only helps to pay the bills for these high quality and high impact programs, but it leverages hundreds of thousands of dollars, federal government, national foundations, and private contributors. >> I'm going to skip over part of my testimony. >> I'll give you a copy of it to you to save time. >> But apart from the money issues, I want to say that we have not been given time to assess how they move this little virtual, call it the College of Arts and Sciences Back to our ability to continue with our model of integrating teaching, research, and public service or workflow exchange bag with finding the number of people that retire. >> There's a whole set of questions I feel that we need answers to. Four, we can make commitments. >> I committed more than 26 years of my professional career to helping build the School of Public Policy. >> And I have colleagues that committed in our time. I will stand by idly and watch it being destroyed. We need commitments. >> It will pick, we move, we're willing to move, we are willing to entertain change. >> We are actually agents of change. We welcome change, positive change. We need time to consider what the opportunities are, what the alternatives are, and we need to be assured that the financial commitment, but there's going to be there to continue our existence. The hyperthermic, he knew that I was attracted to bearing later than we find in axons that are also working directly with impunity routines for solving any problem. The point is that any theory near a series taphonomy, education, teaching compassion and doing some ways, providing continuous feedback loop between creation and acknowledge its application to plan. Our graduate students work grandma scientists as faculty Just working professionals and community leaders work right along with us. You've educated professionals. Any creating now is a model that is the envy of their schools around the world. And his earnest, There is a model that does not easily emerge from traditional university setting, but it is one at the University of Delaware able to develop and nurture hotel. Now what I've experienced in the past, there were once described the lack of collegiality that Romney administration determined. Reorganize our SWOT urban affairs and public policy. Evaluating research income for service centers reorganizes us, appears out of existence. I recognized reorganizations can and should work, and I want us to be organization or August or any other supports and encourages Smith environment of translational research as it is known now we ran cables, but the reorganization is taking place. >> Pasting manner that has failed to insult the faculty associated with this pair and was frequently justified by inaccurate, inaccurate information. >> Our efforts to provide helpful factual information when we got in, our efforts to ways in which reorganization might occur, lumping, tailoring, the fine work of art entity were rejected. >> Veil and blatant threats. >> We used Bush all back again into voting reorganization as it is proposed by the administration. Again, I doubt the boats and like my colleagues units, but in our unit we perceive the position that we put in has to be one at both diverts it certainly cannot be considered equal concentration. Worry about US support for importing reorganization, even at we voted for which we have yet it has been very disappointing too. This one island very disappointing to me immediately insertion period is to me that a model that has been so important to the field of public affairs could be dismantles. So very good. And for what reason? And just in case the Faculty Senate reads that, this too shall pass. And well over though, I think it's important to know the basketball game design. And I think that if something's not right, big anomaly that Margaret why Lu icon you can make your arch A life jacket. Because I think that in prophecy crashing on, your honor awarded to facts and reality better than last year. And they result from our segment I and executive director of the room that there is a US national international interdisciplinary burden and the top rated here review journal, as well as individual numbers based on my knowledge of those windows. And I understand the way in which I along with my colleagues and I will be afternoons a new renewed, you may know any views, teachings are, they are to me that maybe glass and Iraq war. If no meals, uv u of higher education at close to the woke. Yeah, for me table or line of analysis in this table is that it's dq unique infusion. He bore our programs, things that are done here. Other the more likely way in which the institution for lie that tp doors, that academic growth is portions of race AND pin or powerlessness of urban affairs model. If all you know, Tsugi anomaly is almost unheard of for media of East Asian laced with high academic unit under a haunted barns and find a role where I'm saying that is that the law, if it goes against both the visual and the watch industry organizations across Entities. Looking now at night on PHP, I didn't give it a better both aspirational or actual here, and made it on the opposite for research. Those institutions like the other amu, this fall invisible briefly, my basic glasses with what in the world are we close it. A reorganization, old new UAV that we simply have no prior evidence whatsoever. >> A bank, remember Public Policy and Director of International Relations. And I'm a faculty senator, School of Public Policy. I want to just point out some of the history of our organization. >> We were almost 50 years old. >> We date back to 1960. Why with of course, validation, Brandt, et cetera. >> The divinity bears quickly routed through the 19 seventies. >> By the way, at the end of the 19 seventies, we started our academic program to the PhD or there's masses. Later, 17th, 1976, we adapted the management and public administration, one of the most successful professional programs here at University of Delaware that was in those sponsorship for the desired Knight of Nike. >> 97 jet is formed. >> I believe that one of the reasons new respect you, but I know my colleague, one of the reasons as Jeff was greater reform, school reform, particularly here in Spain or in, in, in the region that although it's possible to point out log in collaboration in the Valley, we did have a number of you says in collaboration in public service delivery for right up today, that's bad. Race to the top and other duty. We still partner across centerline. Chubb has some 11 centers. >> We have many people who have not really evolve with the discussion relating to this reorganization. >> In frankly, it's turning Eric Schmidt G, We worked in theater in the grid will change prices. But we also point out two of our esteemed faculty and served as being bad is if Martha and one of the big provost of the university degrade. Yeah, we wonder, we pioneered, we are nationally known for something called the Delaware model. >> This was not me then weakness stick here and lower and lower. >> However, it's a model of the integration of public service research, teaching, national recognition burned many rain. We had fiercely loyal alumni and we just want to be taken more seriously. >> Can reorganization Weebly >> Plug, which contributed to contribute to the problems that are given to relish substantial record. >> Thank you. >> Marsha leak, some speaker. >> Remember Turkey immersive synapse here? Or the Department of Fashion Studies. And I'm in a department that probably a lot of what we do and probably very few drilling. Now what we too were very interdisciplinary, covering roots, rich canvas do, sociology, political science, art history, you, they've recovered interdisciplinary we know are very well and everywhere somewhat, we pick that in any portfolio from the College of Arts and Sciences. Meridians, strongest progress similar to ours across the country are in colleges. Ecology shows that college or its equilibrium here is along the pass. That's the argument we would've had 13 years ago, but I bet you I didn't fully get longer time. Why some of you on this? And I gave away to the farthest when he came to me in December. Commute with the department. You are one of the material what we do and I appreciate that and integrate that what we do I would like to add to the process that don't let through. At the beginning, we as faculty have consider President kinds of College of Arts and Sciences. We also I plus I consulted with thought me playing with that idea a little bit to the culture matters. We filled our comfortable going for arts and sciences into the social science portfolio. We voted unanimously to do that. The College of Arts and Sciences go to cancel uploaded to put this. And we really don't want to spend more time on this person because teaching, research, and outreach. So I would also just add that we have no mental illnesses with the College of Arts and Sciences. We're going on the trust in the fact that we can do well under RDD. Marsha Suzanne speaking on before keep the agenda. I will be very agree in part because as many of you know, I have been in the college exactly three weeks today. So I've been at the university for a very long time and I am learning a lot. And all I want to say is that I have met many of you personally over the last three weeks and everyone has been very gracious to me, unfailingly, Cari, and patient. >> And I thank you for that. >> I will continue to ask for your patience. >> My role in the college as interim D is to facilitate whatever changes are going to go on and to keep the college running. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that has to continue to happen. >> I see. That is my job. >> And the siphon that facilitating making sure that whatever supports need to be in place are there. So again, I thank you for your warm welcome. Love me and I thank you for your patience and hope you'll continue sitting patiently. >> Jaiku Medea obesity. >> Thank you. I did not ask to speak, but I appreciate you putting me on. What I like to do is I'd like to thank George Watson and Joe park up other patients and their continuous support of the faculty. You sovereign affairs and public policy. I can tell you how many times they have come over, try and work with us. We have not been able to reach an agreement and I don't think we will reach an agreement. I'm another term which we are we're at right now, but I do appreciate your time and your concerns. I would like to take this time to ask that question of the Provost and that would be OK. >> May I do them? Yeah. Yeah. >> So the question that I have, provost that boys, I heard you say for the first time today that we have the option of going on our own and our own college. >> Would you describe to us what that entails in God? >> Or the consequence is that we would, if we pointed in that direction. >> I, of course, did say this. I've played that mentioned in the open set of Messiah was doing forming your own college, said previously were previously, I have no problems. I don't personally feel less your best choice. I made very clear. He said, I want to look at the minutes on the white board that I haven't in writing it. >> Wow, I have a lagging then. It would mean that we would need 1.5 million down pretty well. >> Let me locate that. >> I've heard a lot, but the body by Tom preserver or new statements that are very inaccurate. >> Well, first of all, let me point out that I don't know if I'm on the clock, you don't. >> Maybe it's best to keep this because it turns into a discussion that will give me a chance. >> We'll give you a chance to catch a cork. >> What do you call it? >> Incorrect signals. So why don't we do that? >> We're going to take a plot. >> That's what we are doing. >> It have on understanding because I think we're at the point now. >> What do you need to know? Why these are, what are the options that are there. And we have to be really tiny. >> So I believe the speaker number 16, David, David aids. >> But also sweeping from my background of header files route. You also realize that other thing I really want to talk about that a lot. Operations to other business that we're all over, that students are part of our blue background Hollywood with and IQs. But another payment policy that didn't against woo, woo, another reorganization. Lower pros as well in your pocket while you're learned bus boss, you've heard Provost elementary artist. I think the more fundamental research we feel the mood reorganization broke up, debug my process flow parameter growth asymptotes. All of us were college fool with Agile, and we've been quite successful. Other characters with baboons out reserved fears, engaging our Guam. I believe we will invoke part or the eggs not simply as rational. She hurt by not having I'm sure you've heard about the roles of all his driver run around our doctoral program, program in large letters as we were working on earlier on, program review. College school is probably, although I knew we did Rome APR would reevaluate their own view of all your program. Well, I want to conclude the comment upon intended consequence bosses. >> One of those is it was revived with yeah, absolutely, the outcome is very diverse. >> Anxiety, reducing hours without the reviewer doesn't know whether or not I live, love will not. >> Thank you. >> Or 70-30, he can't eat me. It was very similar to the ones that are in that. My theory is that all of us say I do all that great deal well, everyone. I think that part of the pulse and after I went and looked at all and are higher, I'm reading it. I'm gonna conversations about reorganization and mine and through actually through February, I carry out where profit, figure out how our lives are high. These are all opposition that vary in your app. Thank you. Are lost work days investor there. I'm also the director of the program folder. Vocals will search for that. And I agree with Kathy. I think we do need to look. >> Forward what's going to happen to us? And in that frame, I'd like to present that. I'm concerned about the fiscal situation when you create College out in our department. >> B, I'm not sure. >> A, 100%, because you've never seen completely accurate, verifiable numbers, will have the largest per capita, as mentioned, rate of any other unit across campus. And that puts us, despite any reassurances that will be here for a fairly precarious situation as we move forward on the path to comments and capitalize on opportunities to be such extreme level of tension, I feel at risk and I'm worried about moving forward with budgeting, how that's flowing actually work, and what the fiscal viability or theory here, small unit college from high school at a department is like because when you're a very small thing, a change breaks. So that shows you ripple. And if you're a very weak, so I can't help but express my regrets are partly not being selected to very large. It will be in the smallest way. Louis sound College in football, you never see it. And it is split longing and desire that I look at. What are some other wealthy colleges? Engineering. For the last several weeks, we had no further discussions about what we might looks like, how we might find ourselves. But budgets might look like in Athens of IY and monies that we get rerouted and centers are gonna be expected to produce their federally funded research projects. I'm very theory. Thank you. >> Flow, flows out. >> Hope for correcting some of the same vegetables forward after they've been OpenFlow discussion. >> Well, there are a number, a number of things that, that I feel I should dress and that'll directly address I'm curious question tuning off. Actually, it was early on it was stated that that the idea to have an external reveal come in was Michael gamble McCormick's, and then I rejected that it was actually correct it already though. And the statements made by another faculty member that the external review was my idea that was rejected by the D and the other deans all add so so that he's not sure the MOU that was offered to slow urban affairs and public policy is in fact identical to the MOU that is offered to the School of Education and the Department of Human Development guarantees that there's invention would stay in college. And that is what I've offered in the move of SEWA To arts and science in the reorganization, one of, one of the beauties of it is that not a single person loses their job yet. Millions of Simms mentioned dollars get moved back to where they originate. Now I've said this at least three times on the record. It's not the reason to make them move, but it sure as a side benefit, but somehow that is taken as a threat. You know, it's interesting, the deans I've been talking all year about how we're going to move suspension. The moral imperative moves invention. Because invention is, is basically a redirecting our largest funding sources, primarily undergraduate tuition, away from the units generated. And it was done as a fudge factor and RV so that no colleges would see their budgets disrupted. That's what's dimension is it's money that was given to colleges as we went to the new budget system. So their budgets remained the same through the June 30th of July first transition. These are millions of thou this invention was $50 million that was pulled out of the budgets, primarily to colleges, Arts and Sciences and learner, and was given to the other five colleges, most of it going to two cows. If millions, about 13 million is transferred from Arts and Sciences, the other colleges. One of the beauties of this reorganization is that we move a lot of this invention back to it without a single loss of a position anywhere. When I say that, that's hardly a threat. It's it's a life raft or lifesaver to have that taken as a threat. I just don't understand this invention. If we don't do anything, suspension will move. It's a moral imperative to move. The sub mentioned what the tuition for the students. Now there are, there are many ways we can approach this problem. But tuition following the student who's one of the tenets of the RSEM system that's used by a large majority of universities and very good ones. So the idea that I've threaten anyone because I point out a difficulty in the financial model of a college going forward and proposed a solution that leaves everyone safe. I believe as a as a as a pretty strong this characterization, I want to, I want to make a statement about respect for faculty governance. I believe that faculty governance is about the faculty deciding things and voting. And I never actually wanted to make that proposal because I'm the provost. I didn't want to make the proposal for how we might reorganize. I proposed a plan to the dean on August 26th in the car, the dean met with the leadership of the college and then nothing, no discussions occurred for about two months in the fall. I then propose the external review, which was opposed rather uniformly, was about as popular as my Saturday classes Then in January, I received a letter signed by nearly all the full professors in school of education of their desire to form a new column in respecting the faculty governance. And in fact, I've been applauded by this, by that my people that are standing behind me, which are all people from the School of Education and a large number from the column human development. Most of them are not here today, but they were very happy that Provost would take this grassroots idea. Now granted, I proposed a similar idea in the fall. We had talked about it when I met with the department. So I got the sense that they were very happy that we went for it to form this new college. I applaud that. That is respect for faculty governance. Now I've been, I've been, I've been accused of not respecting faculty governance because I didn't bring this in a heavy-handed way to the Faculty Senate until March. And in fact, I didn't want to have a heavy handed approach in any of this, but somebody's got to do it if nothing is happening. So when I came to the faculty senate, finally started talking about reorganization, it was in some ways against my will because I already had the votes in the faculty wanting to do it. And, and I know, for example, also that many that faculty have tried to put some of these issues onto the Faculty Senate minutes. So faculty governance to me is about respecting having the vote, the order as you have the vote at the faculty, first faculty level, if a department wants to move, they vote. If they're moving to another place. That receptive unit votes. That has happened in all of these. And then it goes into the committee system. The John showed us a faculty governance has been not only follow the, I would say respected disrespectful approach would have been me to try to brow beat the senate before those votes. It happened, and I did not do that. Now, communication was hindered for a number of months and that's because there was a disconnect between myself and the dean. And also the idea of the external review, which I propose. And so I also want to want to know that I have stated publicly I'm perfectly willing to have the model that was floated on duty by John and then reiterated by Margaret to be a separate college as it used to be. I I've already voice that. I don't think that's the best approach, but I do note, worthy of note that in the list that Martin headed out, it often is a separate college. I'll note that it's sometimes with the social sciences a couple of occasions I will also noted is never within educations, me in any of them or so. So I certainly have no objections to forming the College of Urban Affairs and public policy. What would be the the output of that? How well We have separate columns, just like all the others. Then we would have a dean. The College would would be involved in that process as an interim. Presumably the current director would say, I don't know, but that would be its own power. It would float on its own bottom. And so my concern is that it's not ready yet, but that is certainly the model. What great universities, what I'm, let me put it this way. I would not further submitted by taking even more money from one of the other colleges this event. So the me, we even thought when I came over that and you've had moved the arts and sciences, where do you get your feet under you? And then if you decided later, formula out, we'll talk about that possibility. I know Dean Watson has already said that in the whole first year at the school would move to what regardless, there will be a one-year strategic plan. And as far as I know, it verbally told you that there will be no customer in the slope. But what we would have had happened is the units, most of the new college and there's a general planning. No single unit in Arts and Sciences I've seen for four years, no single unit is guarantee all their funding for all time. The memorandum of understanding I received from the school of urban affairs and public policy wanted to guarantee that they would be able to retain every single dollar. There'd be no change to any single programs. Let me I go, oh, I didn't bring it, but I can certainly send this around to everyone. They can see if the memorandum legacy that there would be absolutely no changes for five years. We can imagine if I gave at the o, once war when all the other departments in arts and sciences, the other plenty. Don't forget that when someone retires in a certain department, whether they're replaced or not, depends on the strategic plan with the youth are so so I I want to at least get on the record some of the what I perceive us as fairly significant inaccuracy. And I don't know if I've answered your question, but thank you very much both apple. So I'm gonna open up for discussion what we are going to do for the discussion portion off to the open hearing is that we are going to give each person a who may had a statement to make. >> It may follow on question two minutes. >> So this will ensure that everybody will have a chance to speak if they have anything additional. >> Time idea. And again, we are going to be here until 6PM to open up a game for free discussion. >> At this time, I would like to see if there's anybody thread before. >> You might if you wanted to comment on what, what grows apples and right development when they are hearing right now ATPase happening. >> This fourth which >> Which I think there's millimeter. >> Well, there's no, please hand them out. What I actually did is I promise that I'll point this out too. I promise the suspension for School of urban affairs and public policy to build Arts and Sciences in perpetuity as well. >> But you brought lamp there? >> That's correct. But you will also notice that there's not a guaranteed or the Department of Human Development that milk evolved in month snores. Therefore, this will let you know, that's my breath. >> It says college will piece. >> It's affecting how does, unless it doesn't say, it says that the college will keep its attention and there isn't a count. >> Yeah. >> Well, it says that the suspension modeling will be retained if this element right here, well, like perfectibility, let, again, nothing. >> You're getting this invention for the school and urban affairs and public policy is moving suspensions or knowledge. Now you can figure out how much of that spending that's from a particular unit. >> I promised you in perpetuity that sift, matching that up with say an out are confined to one man and they're sequential knowledge of education to bring Jackie program for someone like me who painted it blind people on low right. >> Working scientists is already positive quantity. What prompts in something that I can be wrong? Because you're going to be under the, under the, the workings of RBD. But the, the idea, and certainly everyone in the school of education and human development knows that their individual budgets, very important school are not fixed. >> Thank you. And I guess I need to be executive here in my summary because I have two minutes. >> So otherwise I would expand further. I bleed blue and gold. Also tested occasionally language. >> At any rate, I have a lot of friends and see where we go. Way back when I asked, David aims to speak today because he wasn't on the agenda. >> Really grab these relationships that we develop strong value. >> If they're, if they're just, they're just no question about it. >> I find that I am concerned. >> Misinformation that floats around. >> I have sent the whole Senate an email correcting one of the most flagrant ones that also didn't identify anybody. >> So I was just making the point that while we're dealing with something contentious, we need to be allies with each other. >> So I just want to correct a couple of things. And again, this is all collegial, right? >> We're all here. >> And my friends, we never proposed moving all of Secondary Education, indivisible college. >> If you know anything about secondary education, you know that you'd be a fool to even attempt doing that. >> We never expose them. >> I have a copy of what she wrote and I'm happy to share that again, if I had more time, I could go in more depth. I can read it to you. >> We never we never proposed that. >> The proposal was to get more communication, Roy proposals to take a new look at how it works. >> The proposal is to see if there are ways we can help each other and be more strategic in our use of resources to be better at the race to the top, to be, to be more competitive. International funding to bring in more indistinct. >> Now embryo, I'm so happy you agreed to speak because I guess you were on the you were asked initially, but at any rate, I'm glad you agreed to speak here today. >> The second issue of Sue app hearing for the first time that the provost has offered that you can stay as a free-standing. And to me that's just unbelievable because I've heard that so many times. >> I have this hole and I'm looking forward to getting this done because this has been a full-time job. Being the bin. I am the Education Senator. >> Inhofe. Sorry, be taking so much time. >> I'm looking forward to being done with having to try triangulate everything here. >> But there are many documentations of the provost saying exactly what he said today, that you can stay a free-standing. >> You that isn't very well for us here, legally. >> Yes. >> I think it is important to recognize that year and I were in College of Arts and Sciences. And then think in other words, subsidizing mother's womb. >> Another unit and my dollar, I always go that way. >> And then they suddenly arrived on my doorstep. When did meet people and the suspension values came back to me, has a college, I'd feel the obligation to continue to subsidize this unit that I never wanted to subsidize an inverse like that. I just didn't think eating meanings here, particularly anyway. Yes. We have also been told that this rename a separate reporting to grow both to my understanding of everything. And I read that was never up until now quality because there, there is a significant difference then how colleges can heat. >> There's a quenching loans units that report to at the behest of the problem of wood for a loved one happening with you for not having done this. >> We have those dimension values disappear very quickly if they dealt with the knowledge. And we are a college, I have no doubt that we flew over. Public policy sensors will be able to adapt within a very short name, a very few years less than or working on law unless the Board to RDD will adapt. We've been bringing in our own life or life years now. At the moment, you're very unhappy with the university administration is unhappy with the state lies directly to us. You provide the right support services to have those built elsewhere. We have no question that will read well, we're pretty adaptable, smart, capable people if we are given an airplane, right. >> For example, it's very important that we not have any misunderstandings. Levels is that there are earmarked money from the state that go to the school, environment, Government, and public policy. There is nine or ever has been ANY proposal to change load, what would we do that that is not true. So basically what we are talking about when we talk about some mention and we were talking about about the school not being able to currently to float on its own bottom is from the unrestricted money that comes from the state and from the undergraduate tuition, primarily in the throw off on the endowment, the special wines that go to the college. And the only thing that has ever been cited Byblos down at the legislature was the idea that the dean of the college would have the ability to bring those together and measure outcomes from them. The reason that was done was a school of agriculture has a whole bunch of what's on the front end that it's forced to do. >> It feels it can do better. >> That's the only change of that money. >> That money goes to your mark things and it has nothing to do with conversations we're talking about under OK, maybe not anything to do with college right now. >> You're free to form the college. >> Would you expect the warming that college and then for you to continue to receive, all of us have mentioned forever. And nobody expects that wherever you'll be under RDB, you'll be under army me like everybody else. >> Well, I think I just wanted to point out the full subnet kindergarten to influence us tremendously. >> Defense which WiFi that separate colleges. My defense, I get to talk about the fact that much of that versus US Second of all, hot and dry for escape to Dover. >> One of my two lines up my contra one line was watching me with the other. >> Why what public service month? >> The snake was providing money to University Park. >> Okay, so when we talk that's inventions like, Oh, we're not bringing undergraduates. >> We've talked about money going. >> I don't know if you've gotten the lines I understand what I'm saying that the one when you put more generally, we've been appointed servicing 3p, ought to stay up past me, please. Or undergraduate programs, working life as we do a number of other things that made sense. >> Okay, I'd like to read from a the issue concerning us being threatened economically. >> And I think it's real sample, and I don't think we're responding to just fiction and this affection that I gosh, it's really developed its own kind of presence that has affected our thinking in a dramatic way. >> I'm reading from a memorandum from from you promised athletes and Michael gamble McCormick dated the 11th of March. >> And to cut to the chase provided by the memo, in your writing and your words, you say, if a little reframes of SEWA if they move. In total. Look at their centers or $1 million of suspension will move with them. >> And the issue was over. >> No more sub bench and adjustment is needed for for any current subunit. >> But what the key and this is a humane movement of suspension. >> No one loses their job. And it gives x2 at time to grow their undergraduate program and attract paying graduate students. If they do not move to CAS, I will in capitals, take 1.5 million from them this year at Next and move it to to CAS hover we to interpret and understand what that mean. That other, that of an Agile thread show us attractive like that's eventually going no, but, but sir, you've mentioned numerous times that money is not driving this, the budget is not driving this. The logic hack that prevails has to be what is a reasonable organizational structure given the substance of what we do. >> But I keep hearing arguments and it's all about money. >> And quite frankly, as a public policy person, let me, let me just say that budgets are policy instruments in and of themselves. They direct resources the way the institution wants. The directed. An RDD is no different. It's a policy instrument of this university, at least at both. The idea of the movement of the money is not worth it up, like me has recently changed. I brought up the idea of a line and our faculty more soup. I brought up the idea of translation. You certainly the money issue is very big. There is no way that I can allow colleges that are earning a whole lot of money giving it away and then have the unfortunate had freshman class size is 300 suits because there aren't enough faculty to teach them. The faculty ratios are mostly different, mostly renders them together. Let me Louie connection someone so many other social sciences. There's 870, political science and international relations, maybe 21 faculty. There are 970 and social science, criminal justice, major learning, one guy. Therefore, underneath education majors, these are suited. >> The patent we riches 3541. >> Why? >> Because money is not saying that. Colleges, how Hi, I'm perfect. We will do some pen how that have a lot of students who, why? Because it's undergraduate tuition pays most of our bill. >> Now that is not the reason for this MOOC. >> But if someone's going to tell me that I'm being threatening by saying that we have to face the realities of a University. One of my Jonathan's Provost is to make sure that our resources are aligned with the outcomes that we're seeing. It wouldn't it be great to have the 26 faculty bigger and small? Urban affairs. So you'll be able to offer their experiences to undergraduates and talked with someone who actually is willing to move through the social sciences where all the symptoms are. >> Tommy's no charge. This nice conversation, please. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry, but please, let's not trying to make that conversation. >> Everybody has a right to sneak. >> That's why we are here. >> And I encourage the people who did not speak to raise their hands. As you raise your hands, I will give you the chance and I will count inside 1-2-3 and then you'll have a chance to see. We recall, particularly with me, it's great. Should I be submitted forever? Because we started an undergraduate program in public policy. It is getting up to a wonderful start teaching. >> I rather like it. >> This is my last semester at it be possible, yes. But what I want to say, however, is that you have made the moral case. >> We can make the moral case here for the undergraduate students. >> And I think there is another more, more case to be made in working in a forest area, Delaware with migrant farm workers. With this illustrates a wound. And then 30 hours a week in the streets, of course, areas of Wilmington working with drug dealers and community that want to have a better life. >> And what the name itself, that is what I do. >> And I think there is a moral argument to be made to allow that to continue. And she supported, what do I expect to be mentored and forever no expected va given a chance to make the transition to continue that commitment of the university to serve the least among us, not just the undergraduates who are paying tuition I fully respect. But there are other moral obligations that universities and I think what we're doing is one, but we want me just to cope with a I was convicted o say for that. >> Yeah, I think we have a state law this year, the universe both solid, coming through the code, but the previous years, three-year thorough universe, we are taking live version and the legislature said to them, I think together. >> But the other point, but one of the reasons that you lose, one of the reasons we have lower teaching loads, it'll be good public service mission. >> And we were all is I think really that part of the large, large operating by the intrusion of art to public service. >> They have money now to be sure. >> There have been some cuts. Numbers. They don't learn that. I don't have gone out all over the country. I don't have to think that our legislature is any harder. And as in the other legislature there other publicly supported collaborative University. In fact, I think they probably loved her out and probably get a pretty good ride or even the traveling time. >> But I think one of the I guess one of the reasons of we >> Rankle him. >> So eventually we think that we do good for the universe. >> And yet there were the phase, we're all are blue. They were not the only one a resilient groups or erosion environment, but the public service, the people of the state where leadership, we're, we're in the web of the silly things in this little space. >> So I think that's why the Universe has enjoyed tremendous freedom from restriction. >> They lead us that way. How it might be awkward because I'm not the only person. Development and family studies has chosen to put themselves out there is hot. So that said, I would like to go ahead and I'm not sure that I have to agree that that we can feel about pizzaiolas. Honestly, I'm not sure there's ever going to hear that the faculty member at the university that I haven't actually paid for myself. That the work that I generated, lesser Magee hasn't actually way more than it ought to be for myself. So the fact that if reading about this right, just to be clear, I'm pretty sure that would be cite our MOU. We weren't thinking that we were dealing with an expert here. Either have a polished proportionally or how we work and that way your explanation of it. But I thought we had the understanding that I had was different because you're here today and I think that that's an interesting new perspective they have not. >> I'll make a few statements. Probably the biggest public service we do is, is educate the next generation teacher. I, I'm very aware of your community. I was Dean of Arts and Sciences Harris's work. I know, I know Leanne Williams as why I'm saying this as white. That sort of research is, is very accepted into the College of Arts and Sciences. And almost all of our work in yards also next. So the idea that, that public services in some value, in Hobbes words, just simply not the case. So, and I do want to mention one thing drawn you mentioned that some of the cuts in the budget proposed to come out of those earmarks? That is true. A fraction of them is in proportion to the overall US were, were out of, out of that. And we should remember, however, that are largest source of income is the undergraduate tuition. I'll also say to be, quite frankly, quite frankly, 260 million of that comes from out-of-state students and 45 million in states that we have I believe an obligation to do the best we can to give those students and education. And I can't really understand how having influx of 26 faculty who, by the way, I think public service work in the community is a tremendous opportunity for service learning and research for undergraduates, most of whom will be from out of state. And why we would want to put a barrier up between that. I don't understand. Most of the students who are interested in those kind of activities will be found in the social sciences, in the College of Arts and Sciences. So why we would want NOT allow that greater interact? And I don't understand if we truly believe in strengthening public service, why not give that opportunity through the aforementioned 2200 students and just those three departments that would be very eager participant. >> Thank you. >> Guiding them. We should know that we were together they graduate program the last couple of years now and we were happy to do it. >> But you should understand that over the course of the 25 years we've wanted to do at the university did not want to do it. >> So that that's one thing, that if you go and you say pa support is only undergraduate of tuition, that by definition puts us at a disadvantage with University. >> This year, 2008 byte university figures, we, we, we produce $6.4 million in one year of external funding in our, in our algebraic graduate college. >> And so you have, you have Rihanna graduate education for so the, the idea, we will be happy, happy to help with communication, to purple advise or anything else in terms of public policy to help with US forces. >> But we haven't had a chance to be involved in that in some way that the planning for anything, whether whatever our College of Arts and Sciences, no one's asked me that way. >> So I I understand you're saying suspension when he goes with undergraduate tuition and Pokhara bottom, by definition, you've put it behind the eight well-being, but we aren't there yet. >> They give us the chance to do that is the reason why both gave me the chance to do it. But coming to the arts and science, everyone assumes there, I'm encouraging you wanted 25 years. And if you cut the arts and sciences, you have the financial underpinnings to help you get your likelihood? >> Well, why did okay, I'll give you a chance to site here. >> On the one hand, we're not EVA, economic issue, clearly others that are visual vacation with profit side or they've used about theory. >> And for example, if we are enough art to level out of arts and sciences within political science art. >> And then look, reasonable logic would be the art department, homicide department. >> So it breaks. I certainly goes a questionnaire may show up as soon as we finish. I will give you a chance to Mars and why we'll see what this paper tuition and their experience here as a more holistic way that he might take courses elsewhere. >> Heat of study abroad and all the things that we sometimes frankly bringing Mahayana. Thank you for saying that because you agree with me. I believe in every respect. I mentioned that the college the college's almost mentioned, and that was a very, actually ended up being a contentious or perhaps misunderstood concept. >> That's exactly right. >> The colleges on this adventure, not individual units. If you break down methods of instruction. I was dean of arts and sciences when RDB began. There's no question that some units in the college produce more money and some consumed more money because they have different, drastically different modes of education. You can have a class of 30 students learning sociology. Xiang Gao can't teach 30 violins parts in general, happened to be very small classes. Many of its one-on-one instruction, the College of Arts and Sciences generates revenue that can support. And it's that communal look that you're mentioning that works in that the fact that this keeps coming back to budget is troublesome to me because that's not why I think this should be done. As I've said again and again, it's a huge sign benefit for what's, what's not a good financial picture for unit. >> And it can do this. >> And it's like a a free pass to to get the legs under the unit. And I I said this at the meeting. So when I when I met with the school that they could always decide, in fact, it was in response to a comment made by Professor Wilder at that meeting to think that always get their legs under them and then move back to being their own college once they had their feet under any these are things I may public forum forum with, sometimes with the microphone. >> Thank you. >> I see the same sort of thing, Resource Economics and acknowledged fact sciences. >> And I really have no dog in this fight serves the bug. >> Although I've heard our colleges next, I guess I'm shooting up. >> There's been a lot of discussion about the memos of understanding between the different units and I guess I would ask them to found if are you willing to take the same kind of commitment in terms of sub-branch and to sue if they decided to go it alone and try to develop itself is a college that you've made to the Department of Human Development panels that within the context of the overall decision made by the deans myself with respect to eventually moves over the over the future? Yes. I don't know what else what else? >> Deans. Deans. >> Hey, right here. >> Here's one here. >> That's item number three, gap. >> Apparently it's the abandons the proposal. >> Uhc is emitted out families that HDFS venture funding will be retained at its current level for five years, incremented by a annual salary increases and other university deaf. >> But what I'm asking is, will you make that same commitment to sue either yes or no question? >> Yes. If swamp wants to form their own college, there'll be grew up, I guess go the Howard, however thundering RB will run. And and I predict that That college is going to lose a million and a half dollars. And so are they ready for that? Because I'm IPV because there'll be subjected to the same budget that the other colleges or when they're separated out as their own units, then what they will do is it'll generate the revenue from undergraduate education. >> They'll, they'll get their grad tuition. >> One thing that I should point out for today is that you might have 6.4 million and I spent a quantity with most external funding is pass through its overhead that hopes when that unit and there's not much overhead gunnery, but it's replacing things. >> He loved me. >> I understand what it what it what funding does. I've had many, many grants myself over the years, but it's the overhead that drops. The bottom line is graduate tuition. And drops the bottom-line gifts. Rocky bottom line as undergraduate teaching drops on one, that's what helps us run the University. And so if, if you want to form your own column, you can, but you live by height. You certainly can't expect me to let you form your own college and then be given some special dispensation. And I continue to take money from other colleges to support you. >> I can't continue to do that in perpetuity. >> In the backdrop of all of these all of these things have been, what are we going to do about suspension? All we've always had in suspension is a college thing. >> And what are we going to do with it? >> How are we going to move it around in order to best what resources, where they need to be at the universe. >> Hooking hooking this understanding that I had in regard to our suspension, the memorandum of understanding indicated that HDFS worth being patient is whoops, the virtue five-year. >> That really sounds different than that. >> And so when I mean, we were at the same meeting, we had that discussion designed to lead me to believe that what we were saying. You were committed to supporting our department. >> Well, five years younger. Remember when we had our dinner where we talk about this, that I said suspensions or college thing. And we've talked about the fact that the college itself, and the college would almost certainly do a strategic plan. It might decide, I remember a conversation they might decide to afford apart in some fashion, is a college entity. And what I was promised, What's the rather remarkable thing that the suspension of that new college would be the sum of that generate advice. It's humans. >> That was the intention. >> I remember the conversation and I recall that goes from the strategic plan is put in. I misunderstood. I fully believe that you will continue to support our program and its current well, that's exactly what I meant when I met was the college would get the full amount of suspension and no suspension would be moved from this new college. It's RFC science at Saint. >> Deal with, with, with the new COO app that they want that they can keep their sub mentioned lumped >> You will be getting a lot of our sequential level will disproportionately are Holly. Why? Because Ray hiring illegal wasn't what we do, but let it either with our colleagues, with me, happy submits and flat rate. >> Yes. >> Right. All the units are mostly journalism and current college. If you give me the mouth, and this includes centres. Whilst it was not as clear cut as you say, for example, I don't believe there's fingers eventually begins with education and there isn't caught in their suspensions in various centers and things like that, you start to say that center belongs to this unit. You could arrive at that, but that's not a true statement. In fact, the suspension per capita I have, there is a difference because there's five times as many in one. So I'm not sure that that's true. You may actually be over suspended in that college? I don't know. >> I don't know the answer that I'd like to say. Thanks. And eventually we want a Jominy booking. Yeah, I'll give you back again. >> I have to give chance. >> Dave. January there. >> Regular. Tell me if I don't like being an important joints do not like blocks. We'll questionably On the one hand, where we hear net invention go along. So colleagues to an individual department or unit, I interpreted things that I think it Repo out our interventions to deal with that your fraction. >> They eventually portion at the college if repugnant. >> Now not to go that way about July. And part of that whole thing, a problem memorandum, that how far they are afraid that loading there and a year of administration will come in and give up your venture will now guarantee that are kind of halfway. >> So I will just respond to Roosevelt, but I don't know what to respond to that. >> Yes, I just have to pull up my last point because I still wins. My last point is to encourage the Senators and the executive committee to realize that these are two separate decisions and others. >> We have a resolution coming to the floor of the Senate. >> 4-year college education and human development. >> And we are paralyzed right now and it's hurting us. It is not a good thing. >> We need we need to move the process forward. >> We need to get the search underway for the new d. >> I need to stop doing this and start getting back to the National Education Technology Plan. >> I mean, and I'm not exaggerating, we are hurting by having this in limbo. >> And it would be a big problem for us if >> Of maneuvers are put into place which I know are possible to try and slow this down, just like the Republicans drives about healthcare we need to not be treating. >> I'm sorry, but I mean mathematically at last. >> Sorry. >> Hold on. Okay. >> Please raise your hand if you want to sneak probably your next and you'll be AUG. And I just want to say that also a history matters. And my colleague to my left that alone made a point of this and others have to. For many years, we were restricted to undergraduate school or college. And so we have that length and we Energy's vengeance into bracket. And then two years ago, army came along. It had implemented this past year and all of a sudden, rules of the game change considerably and has financial undergraduate programs, it's a good thing to have financially under RB. >> Okay, point number 1. >> Number two, this university has had a longstanding commitment to what you can call it translational research, public service. Those are really in many respects one of the saying that in the school of urban affairs, development policy and incentives. And then one of the major continents, guilty economists, because it would be other, other units of the university also done this with a vengeance. But we've had a major player in it being engaged in the community, not just Delaware, but the region in the nation, in the world, in terms of working to essentially take knowledge on data and expertise and translate it into real-world solutions and approaches. And, and this university right now, I guess this coming year, Provost Apple can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that the state allocation, not the special state lines state allocation is about a $122 million to the universe and it goes into the general public university. That is always bad. Historically, proceed as part of that money is there to support this very important engagement. And those rules now has changed that Miss Miller, and there's a public policy needs time to adjust to these things. >> We are happy to adjust. >> As I mentioned in my statements, we are agents of change over time. He my father clinics, we gotta 123s total who've stayed with 300 marks. 92 was the unrestricted, save one good difference underground. That was about to say that that's the uncollected tuition. Thank you for just a quickie. >> They gave him a chance. >> I did, but kind of do a quick follow. >> Ok. >> Quick, I mean, but in the past though has interpretation by a prior budgets. I recognize that that state support was partially intended to cover public service expenses, but there are specific lines. You're more important than that. I always had for losses for public, sir. I'd never heard of until today somebody unrestricted save money for public service. But then I certainly would say that, having said that, that I think we have to watch what we call public servants I've seen it defined very narrow in many instances. I I think there are 1200 faculty we have, I would guess that more than half of some form of public. So I would put all of education, both secondary and elementary and everything in between as public service, I would put the r's primarily as public service. Epic theatre program. You're, I think I'm not paying at all. But most of the social sciences, particularly those who all of her sleeve I've plotted department to that night. And I make it as one of the, as I mentioned, that the Faculty Senate meeting, one of the chairs of our Social Sciences sand the possibility of moving because they believe that there could be a lot more translational research together. But there are many, many of the social sciences do what I've called Public Service. And quite frankly, I'd even say my home department. If you're on any prescription medications, they paint chemist. I see my colleague Kathy mat up there cursing and med tech. If that's not public service, I don't know what it is. So I I, I think what we ought to be careful about, about calling that too narrow for focusing that I'd like to suggest the unpopular opinion. We actually think less about sequential RUP and money. >> And if we take more pride in the good work that we're doing and have gone. >> And that we trusted administrators because in many ways they need us every bit as much as we need them. >> And we'll handle this anxiety about me when we have so many talented people in this college and wherever we're going to be next year, I just think it's causing unnecessary distraction. >> I know we can't be naive. >> I know we have to attend to it, but I think there's more important things that we need to focus our energies on. >> Thank you. >> I don't have the budget. Jesuit call money was really there yet. >> Uniquely, they'll respond to you if you're tired and you are the, on this side of the Irish, okay? >> But beyond that, we have no instead here we should get in the way of what you all want to do it yet. >> That's fine. >> That was never the issue for us because that's brought the issue is who what what's going to happen so good that you all do. >> And Bobby, you got great. >> Thank you. >> Characterize it has somehow is a function of z because that is not its main idea. >> I don't actually know where that's coming from. >> It's coming from some senators. >> I don't know which ones, but but yeah, no, I don't totally agree. >> Boy, I'd have it. >> After three years ago I was at Carnegie, asked the university not depart. And I'm with the faculty senate rejected University, University for approximately two years ago. Reuben university committed any pace during the period of this little stress University or decision I gave meaning to the ram that Lindsey began on the dollar. When you implore legit now is very huge or unnatural, isn't you create and are not necessarily wise? And I think that is something that we should learn from every institution. >> We are. >> We don't have any more time just to understand it correctly, I would like to ask you just one more time to see if I do not mean to me as it presents faculty presided portion of this open hearing cases. That will be one major issue between eval use off the other departments and they swap. Oh, are you really to use the same language that is in the human? It'll open in family studies per keys to submerged in funding. >> Hi, I'm Dave arguable do College of Arts and Sciences for their own culture. Understanding that's a pension as a college property, it can be determined the contribution of that's mentioned by units. We did that one lives in arts and science. Try to figure out verses inventions as well. But that it retaining it remains a college source of funds to be used by the mean, which is our new model where colleges are centered. I will take the, the direct question from C. Sue asked if I'll I'll use the exact same language that I use with the other units. That they can retain their suspension if they form their own college and their eventual though to the new College of Arts and Sciences, if that is their choice. But this adventure and always belongs to the D to do with under the normal, nobody's ever guaranteed tires that they get that line. Baghdad that resides with the dean provost note. So I I'm on record for saying that if they want to form Cu app and they get their intervention, they can keep their suspension the same way I promised that with education and DiMaggio vaguely, quite a scribbling in here. >> Okay, now let me, let me, let me ask the audience here that even just want one last second. Is Anyone else have a very specific issue that they didn't get the answer from this open here. It actually behaves like just so there's no reason why this question, if we should have had another section one, you anybody? It seems that everybody got carelessness. Thank you so much.
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