Ok. >> I guess we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. >> As far as administrative businesses concern, first thing I'd like to do is adopt the agenda. Several things to note about tonight's agenda. One is, is that I know we have a lot of business on the agenda, but we're only going until 530. That's that's practice. And so if businesses leftover then will hold another meeting next Monday to finish the business from tonight's meeting. Second of all, there is a change to the agenda, a friendly amendment to the Residence Life Program resolution, which is to change all references to educational program to Residence Life program. And that was that was accepted by the people who buy the movers of the motion. So that's a friendly amendment. So with that in mind, do we have an approval for the agenda tonight? I have a motion to approve the agenda. So moved. Second. >> All favor? >> As far as the approval of the minutes from last meeting. Do I hear motion to get less? >> Correct. >> Ok. >> One that may very well right. Appointment of continuing. >> You were told was a trustee that is present in the minutes as coming from a US senator, as though it were my personal desire to putting KP. >> I presided as coming from the department of political science and international relations. >> They voted to give me five meter plus that. Duly noted. Okay. Great. >> Will make that note will make that change. Other other discussion of the minutes, but her motion to approve the minutes now will be here all night, David. Okay. Second. Ok. So you gotta get with the program here. All in favor, please raise your cards. All post. >> Okay. >> In that case, then we have to move on to a, to the elections go. Well, normally what happens is we hold the elections at the beginning of the meeting and the votes are tallied and the results are announced. Towards the end, you can see the slate of candidates for the various positions. And I know that Jiang given little, we'd like to say a few words before the, before the election takes place. >> I'm going to let him go ahead and do make them. >> Good afternoon. >> My name is jihad Giovanna. >> Look, I am at the hotel, restaurant and institutional management department and I was very interested in this position. >> I, I joined the faculty at the University of Delaware in 20012001. >> And I've been serving on the faculty for several sessions and I really wanted to be part of it a little bit more in the leadership role of faculty senate. >> For that reason, I have applied to be the Faculty Senate elect an idea to understand it's a three-year commitment. >> And I've seen Karen about couple of weeks ago and I thought that that would people our 20-25 applications and it will be tough to run. >> And then she said I said Karen, how many people >> Light photo positions. >> He said, she said Jihad it. >> And I said, wow, what did I get myself into them? >> So I'm very, very excited and happy to be running for the position. >> And I really like the, you know, there's a saying in Turkish, I think if anybody had a chance to read my statement, but there is a saying in Turkish, which is where I'm originally from, that what does one hand head, What does to handicap, which is club. >> So together we can make things happen. >> And this is one of the reasons why I wanted to take a little bit more leadership position in the faculty said, and I do appreciate your support. >> Thank you. And again, I do want to just on a personal note, emphasize how, how just how great it is to really get involved at the centered, at these levels when you meet a lot of really interesting and fascinating people and committed people and you do really serious work that makes a big difference. So the procedures are the balance had been placed in the senators cards. All candidates running for senate office this year are running unopposed. But nominations for these positions are open. On other words, if we want to make a nomination from the floor, that is still possible. And of course, we remind everybody that if you're making a nomination from the floor, you needed to have already ascertained that that party is willing to serve. So at this point, are there any nominations from the floor for any of the offices that we're considering here today. Ok, so everybody else besides jihad knows what you're getting into. Okay, so with that in mind then I guess I'll go ahead and fill out the ballots and then I guess who Karen will collect them, just pass them down to the end. Well, not to waste too much more time. I'd like to introduce provost reached make few comments at this time. >> Greetings, happy may. Busy week. >> Friday, honors day, all day. >> Some of the features are familiar to you. Some. I knew one, that snow is at the luncheon for the students we're honoring and their parents and faculty advisors and also for the donors to some of the scholarships. Students are reshaping at that launching for the first time, President Harker will present the excellence in teaching excellence advisement awards to the winners. And I think that's significant chance. It's a Committee of the Senate makes those recommendations. So that'll be at lunch. If Bob carpenter center on on Friday, Saturday. >> Delaware forum, all day forum featuring >> Speakers addressing issues of critical importance to the university not only now but for the future. Framed around the entire strategic planning process coming to fruition. I can tell you that the unfortunate news is that our keynote speaker in the morning, President Dooley wad of Senegal, will not be with us. He was encouraged by his Cabinet and not to leave the country because some food crises they're experiencing at the moment. But the other news is, is that the, the ambassador of the People's Republic of China, the United States. His Excellency Su Wen Zhang will be with us and, and open at nine o'clock in Michel Paul. All faculty, staff, and students aren't tied to the Delaware forums. There's no charge. All we ask that you do has to go to the website, which is u del.edu slash forum and registered. So we simply know how many people are going to be there. Since it includes launch, we just simply need to have a account. Might appreciate it if you would. >> I hope you'll come. >> I hope you'll participate, of course, for those of us in the university community thought most important highlight of the day will be later in the afternoon, 345 carbon or shatter. President Harker will come forth with his vision for the university based on the entire strategic planning process across the entire year. I hope you'll participate in that. So that and then of course, we move on from there to all sorts of other events to celebrate the end of the academic year. Moving towards, towards commencement, the saucer time a year when we a start celebrating, and I think that's the right word. The new students who had been admitted to the University of Delaware was still going on and graduate students because as you know, that continues and you're involved in that decentralized process bit. May first is the deposit deadline. And I will tell you that the class looks very strong, that the academic qualifications of the incoming class in the fall, again, will be yet against stronger than they were even this year. And I believe you'll be very pleased. We've had a number of new administrative appointments and I'd like to recognize those. Michael gown. Cormac O was appointed as interim dean of chat. Tim Barney caught my good colleague who's here somewhere as Despite my protestations, decided to retire at the end of this year. And so Michael will be taking over as interim dean. >> David brand is our new associate vice president for external relations. >> David is here and I encourage you will want to get to know all of you and you haven't. So welcome David, this warning and you daily story released that Dr. Michael changes has been appointed as the Dean of the College of Engineering. So congratulations. That happened this morning and The other day, the day before Karl Jacobson was appointed as the Interim Vice President for Information Technology. Susan foster, OB retiree, and then not somebody you know, that the heroin Thurgood had expressed earlier this spring her intention to enter term as Vice Provost on July first and go on and feel that she's accomplished a great deal, which he set out to do when she next year has a lot of other responsibilities including being president of the national oceanographic society. And she'll also be working with me as a special assistant on program development. But you'll also recall that the strategic planning committee call for having to Vice Provost, Vice Provost for Research, and a vice provost for graduate studies. And so you are the first to here what will be released tomorrow morning. And you daily story that Dr. Mark bar to's been appointed Vice Provost research and strategic initiatives and Senior Vice Provost for Research in strategic initiatives. And and and if you think for a moment, daddy hash Norris has been appointed as Vice Provost for graduate and professional education. And if you get the idea that we're asking those people who lead the strategic planning process to now come on board and help implemented. You've got the idea perfectly right and we're delighted that favor. They've accepted that announcement of the official tomorrow morning or there've been a number of other announcements of No. Just last week, there was a report on you daily of President Harker signing to important sustainability agreements. One is an agreement with the American college and university presidents called the climate commitment. And the other the cow was Agreement, which is an international agreement of institutions and ten-point action plan. I mentioned that to you because the Initiative for this came initially from the faculty senate, a committee that was chaired by James bro feet from the senate that particularly focused at that time on energy efficiency and recycling and climate change. And of course, last session of Senate we had a report from the graduate student senate on recycling. And you may also have read that the undergraduates were graduating at the end of this month, have given their class gift to studying the University of Delaware carbon imprint and addressing how that imprint might be diminished in the future. So I encourage you to look at the agreements and consider them. >> There's a lot going on. >> You can find out everything. You need to know what the university's new sustainability websites. So it's u del.edu slash sustainability. You'll get all the information on the programs, but mostly what they're oriented to do is to increase awareness of environmental sustainable development and environmentally responsible citizenship and an action, other actions that could be taken that would have an impact positively on the institution. Another announcement that was taken just this last week was the creation of the university's diversity task force by President Harker. He's a call for reported that task force By December 2008. And I'm sure that you will get a full report from that task force as they complete their mission. The purpose there is to review what's currently being done at the university, to evaluate what's working, what's not working, and what could be done better to evaluate best-practices at other institutions and to develop an action plan. And the emphasis is action plan for enhancing diversity on campus. I expect that many of you will be engaged in that discourse. Ch'an. So the initial plans of the task force her to engage 70 different groups in the conversation on diversity across campus. Those are my comments question. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, provost rich. Now, just as far as my announcements and comments are concern, first of all, I just want to emphasize just how proud I am of the work that the Senate has done this year. And I think as far as I'm concerned, everybody has done an outstanding job. I especially want to thank the Executive Committee and Johnson and Jack and Jeff, and Don, and Dallas and Karen. And I also want to thank the committee chairs and members. And I also want to thank, of course, the provost and the president and also have it on, and mostly of course, the heart, soul, and mind to the Senate. Karen wholesale spry, I think deserves a just a huge thanks from everybody. So with that in mind then I also along those lines in terms of saying thank you. In February of 2005, the Senate passed a resolution to establish an award to recognize faculty members who've contributed an extraordinary amount of service to the Faculty Senate. And this year that award is going to met Robinson. Matt served this year, the Senate tirelessly as chairman of the student life Committee. While on sabbatical leave, his committee met each months, sometimes two or more times a month, working on the issues beginning in September. This kind of commitment, diligence, and dedication is beyond the call of duty and deserves to be acknowledged. Matt has also served the senate as a senator for four consecutive years and been a member of the Student and Faculty Honors Committee. So it's our pleasure to award the Faculty Senate exemplary service award to Matt Robinson. Okay, I'm moving along on the agenda here to an old business. There's no announcements for challenge on the consent agenda. So moving along to old business, I'd like to have Amy Johnson just discuss the current situation of the breadth requirement issue. >> So befitting the curriculum committee, the Coordinating Committee met to discuss this issue. The motion that came from the floor and we came up with, there's a lot of difference of opinion. >> Across the campus. >> So what we did in the charge was we wanted to make sure that we have everybody represented and we think that we do. I posted it it's posted as an attachment so that you can see what the charges and who the members are. The members on this ad hoc committee are asked to examine the current challenges, opportunities, and recommendations for the development and implementation of breadth requirements at the University of Delaware. To big charge, they need to talk to students, faculty, and get college feedback on the issues because there's differences between the colleges. And I asked them if they could report back in October. Give us a preliminary report of what's going on. >> October senate meeting with a finalized copy, hopefully in December, if not in February. Now you're going to ask about the short-term implementation, all of the changes, the curricular changes, come in and they're due the end of November to the beginning of December. >> So we felt as a committee that it wouldn't be an overburden to offset anybody who's coming in with a proposal early that this breadth requirement has some sort of impact, will be set to one side and will have special meetings to go through once we have the recommendation from this ad hoc committee and it's come to the Senate for approval. Then we'll bring those programs that this affects through the regular committee process, through undergraduate or graduate, and on threat. >> Do you have questions? >> None. >> Then at a very good. >> Thank you. >> I'm not sure about the sequence here, but is it okay if we go ahead and finish up the election stuff? Now, let me just make announcement about for President jihad. Congratulations. And I gotta tell ya, I say that with a certain sense of irony, but I'm not sure that's the right thing to say. Vice President Charles Mason, members at large for cocaine, Jack Rudy, and Elvin Hayes. But Jack is also going to be what we have to we have to confirm Jack is Chair of Coke cans. So can I see a show of cards in favor of confirming Jack is the chair of the cocaine committee. Ok. I'll take that as a rousing work and so so okay. >> I'll take care of all right. >> As far as the other as far as new business is concerned, first of all, we need to confirm the appointments of committee members and chairs and stuff like that, that that whole sleet is also on here. So if anybody has anybody have any questions or problems or do I her motion to approve that slate? Do we have that? We have to prove that right. Motion to approve that slate of nominees. So moved. Any second. Second. >> Any discussion on a favor? >> Please raise your cards. Ok. Any opposed? Okay. So so past and also now we have to we have the standing committee reports which do we have to vote on that or just note that? >> Just noting. >> But I do know that Larry Peterson wants to say a few words about the witch committing research committee. You want and you want to speak from there? Do you want to come down to eight per year? >> Okay. I knew I didn't vary. You can ask your assistance in getting the word out on some revisions to the GU, our application guidelines, they came to our attention that there were some faculty scholarly or creating activities did not fit either UTR after PQR. >> So what we've done is two changes. >> One is that the language has been works like research had been replaced with styled a grade or credit activities to get a little more flexibility in the types of projects that faculty may submit. Secondly, there was a concern that $6 thousand limit was not enough for some faculty projects. >> After a lot of debate, he decided that if we simply raise the amount that it's human nature, most people would apply for whatever the maximum available is. >> So the language was left $6 thousand, however, we add it back to this committee would indeed accept proposals for large amounts of money when it's justified by their vacuum and so forth. >> So if you please, what help get that word out to the faculty detected? >> You are guidelines in a way that nothing else has changed. >> Assistant professors are still going to give them priority and factor. >> Those proposals that are deemed worthy, are accepted, are bonded. Then we looked at Associate Professor and Full professors. Okay? >> Any questions for learn? >> Okay? You say, ya know, so theoretically there's no limit. >> Okay. Any other problems or questions? Okay. >> Moving on to the resolutions then. The first resolution that we need to vote on is for the name change of individual family studies to human development and family studies. Is there any discussion? I guess we hear that comes moved and seconded. So is there any discussion on that? Take that as a no. >> All in favor, raise your cards. >> All opposed. Ok. Past second resolution that the Faculty Senate recommends a transfer of the Department of hotel and restaurant management to the Lerner College of Business and Economics. Is there any discussion on that? On favor? >> Please raise your cards. >> Okay. All post. Okay. That's passed. Third resolution at the Faculty Senate recommends that a formal vote of the faculty must be communicated to the dean of the college and by the dean to the provost upon occasion of any recommendation for appointment or reappointment, any discussion on that? Okay. All in favor, please raise your cards. All opposed. Okay. So past resolve that the Faculty Senate recommends changing the faculty handbook to specify situations when the provost may approve a faculty member to engage in unclassified externally funded research with limits on publication. >> And he discussion that David CA Or say for example, I might be doing research for a company and forget about the fact that that study showed that 10% of the patients who were developing dive. So and the drive API is giving money to the university. So it certainly at the entrance to the university to let this thing happen. And I think that the present policy is, is that there's a very good very much both Dan, only in case of an exemption is at the initiative of faculty and the whole purpose years. >> The federal government has now applied restrictions on publication. >> The one class research, research that has already been conducted with federal support by some of our cough. And so we're being faced with either accepting the contract, let them continue the research we've been doing in some places for a decade or more or attorney to down because this is for the policy change would never give the option to university command fish decision for it to an administrator. The initiative must come from the faculty member that asks us to accept this, make this exception preventing conductors for sure. Other comments, questions, discussion lesson. >> That's me concerning the real concerned. >> But the point you make about people engaged in ongoing referred also with weighty thought, wondering, was any consideration in the proposal given to grandfathering existing research. But then if Lehman the rule otherwise not people who have been engaged in research was what so what stipulated in the full resolution is that a report with the given each year to the Faculty Senate trust games. Many exceptions may so that this would be on and it's particularly who addressed making sure this is a limited type of exception. His heart as stipulated as only grandfathering. We hire new faculty members, they come and they're going work that some Firefly to unrestricted. I know of no case where this would apply or ask David on private investment and with which would require proprietary interests. In fact, we go Grandpa or we try at the same time, let me say to the Senate, we are working hard with our Congressional delegation to ask the federal agencies to change this requirement and not to impose such a lemon. And the FBI limit is is not stimulated for particular purposes. In general, limitation that's been including increasingly contracts that are not, again, I want to say non-classical. So even institutions, if you don't mind, who do classified research are now faced with this dilemma of whether or not to continue the research that has been supported previous. And there's some hope that the requirements that are being almost by federal agencies will be modified in the years ahead, in which case this would no longer linden. Can you speak up a little bit? I came here >> Do they One is if a person can't publish, how will that be counted in there? And promotions or their annual review recently, Why are they doing it? >> He doesn't say they have been showing in the promotional process it what it grants the right of approval of a page. >> So it doesn't necessarily mean that they can't. >> So one expects, and so far the experience elsewhere has been that for the most part, work is published. What that the review is conducted. The reason for yet, in fact, I asked him, see how well, how many times have they turned out the answer is gone, but they wouldn't remove foreground are looser restriction. So you're right, the potential exists to restrict comprehension. Obviously, if it's restricted, then there's nothing to be able to show from that in foreign policy. >> Now classify preserved when I know there's something sure. >> Are finalized. >> This doing research VIP helpless and it also prohibits research visitors. >> Militarily passive funds is in the research policy that we do not do research which is militarily class. So in fact, the issue classified research. >> So in fact the issue is that we're talking about some research. I mean, if if research is classified, then obviously there are limits on publication. The issue here is that unclassified research is still being limited. And so that's what this waiver, I think is intended to address on classified research on which limits had been placed by the government prints them all pretty much the same. >> And you can see here resolve. I mean, that's the notion of why don't otherwise you right? Oh, I feel sorry for people in that situation. >> But the principle, well, it's worse than being Sorry. >> I understand, I appreciate that I hadn't been great about this and I think it's inconsistent with all the things that we hold dear. So therefore, I am not proposing any change in our position, only that on a case-by-case basis evaluation should be made. I will tell you about one that occurred last year to which grow and aid in decision because it was timely. >> I wrote a map onto the file. >> So because public but the consequences of not accepting the contract, which was no different than the contract in place? No difference in the world would have been a reduction in workforce at university. I was told with 30 position. So 30 people's livelihood wasn't snake and we could not get any reports in that case, there was no difference in the research that was big enough to black faculty members. Work they've been doing before. And from their standpoint, they consider that if the university does not allow them to contend that we are in fact limiting their ability to pursue knowledge over me. And I absolutely agree with you about restriction being unfortunately are trying to change it. But so long as it is being imposed, many have some flexibility to make decisions and then be ownable. Reporting of speciation. Fact that trust me. >> Any further questions? Discussion? >> Yes. >> There would be happier if it was not a request from the faculty member, the chair, and the b, and they need to show up compelling, I suppose, faculty members, and try to appeal. >> But that's not how it always was. >> There another question which I wanted to go back to the depletion rate by lightly on the grazing of the exception. >> Thought, Woo, I think it would be three kappa, which is the only case that we really, really weren't actually why the grandfather clause, that's the first I mentioned. The others are recognized, wouldn't give recognized, but it's sponsored, the important word nationally with that for wide open. >> And they think it's important for the work of the overall method within the University of Michigan. >> Again, completely open. >> I don't understand why the grandfather Pashtun thinking went as far as the grandfather clause is concerned. >> One issue there, of course this is that when new faculty come in doing research and for years then they continue to do that research, then this theoretically, this limitations could still be applied even to new faculty or hired now not grandfathered in under previous conditions. >> Does that makes sense? >> That's how ongoing researchers defined. >> New faculty have ongoing research that could be well, but new faculty will have ongoing research. They will have research that they'd begin and then continues to proceed. And so at some point in that process, if that research is deemed to be on, their limitations are placed on that research is also covered by this proposal. >> In fact, what would that would that would cover that. >> But what I don't understand why we need the much broader other to be sponsoring agency says it's important work University for important that'll allow us why not dump a grandfather clock. >> All of those and only answer of that as we formulate the policy, these were the various conditions that were viewed as potentially justifying each action. We call that what is proposed here. And I think it's important, or at least I will say to you that the intention was to frame it in such a way, that passion and that is that there's an accountability for any exceptions and agreed upon. So if in fact the NAD is too large, then it will be resized. My own hope is that the federal policy will be change very soon and that we will not have this restriction. And it's my expectation that I will report to the Senate okay. On any exceptions that I make. And if it appears to all of you that there's two broad context, then of course, we considered at that time, I can only sure you had that were holding pretty nice standard for a exception that would be made. Tribe do scourge, any exception including getting faculty members may do that work off campus outside the institution whenever that's possible. But there was concern of nafta overly restricting has given that we don't know what's happening each time we in another classroom, federal agents. So that seems the most prudent thing was to put in a provision for reporting that What decisions, but allowing that even for newbies count, no problems notice of any other universes that had this dilemma resolved, their old-fashioned yet, including ones which have for much of my research, in fact, they do. Classified research doesn't resolve the problem because we have classified research generally parts, you do it off campus because the circumstances were such that he can't fulfill the other provision for many other restrictions on classified research. And so it is in fact now being paid, or many versions, good deal pressure in Washington to have this, this change. But so far there's been no success. >> Those J loop at those poles, hopefully there will be move. Will it be reminded you I didn't really, I didn't bring whi comma j. >> The weights, the weights phrased it. >> The way it's phrased is that on, there are situations when on classified externally funded research with limits on publication can be. And of course, if there are no, then limits on external. How's it's phrased. If there are no limits on external, unclassified externally funded research, then this policy does not apply to act as if that's in the resolved a lot seeing new warehouse would see with but where is it? >> Yeah. >> I already spent being managed unless it's something new. >> It's but it's, but it's, but it's not it's it's in there, whereas it's not in the resolved. >> Right. >> So but still that's part of that's part of the motion. >> I think as far as the minutes are concerned, I feel better stated ages. >> So do we I asked for a friendly amendment to that and what that goes to the coordinating committee. >> How does up say why it is an amendment being author sb VIC rereading so we know what we're voting on every reading of the resolved than if it's a friendly amendment. We would ask the committee on rules when they're not going to accept as a pending amendments and they do fine. And if they don't, we built an ion. >> So what exactly are you recommending that we replace here? >> Well, as I forgot to bring my copy, I go see what's what's here. >> Maybe take into 999. >> I mean, it does say in unclassified externally funded research with limits on publication, that's what it says under resolved. >> So if there's something about that you'd like to change. >> It says the faculty said it recommends changing faculty to specify situations where the faculty member to engage in unclassified externally funded research with limits on publication. >> So we're asking what do you want to change about that? Well, I guess I guess this raises the question what what what situation? >> Just wells which has told him. >> Jimmy attachment Yeah. Resolution. Okay. There we go. And write our August fifth iteration, but I'm happy to neon records leaving as soon as possible. We use tuition. I prefer not to have this for Yahoo. >> Just utopic incontinence. Did you want to see this? >> Ok. >> Other other discussion and I think making mistake, I think I think the statement is currently not undertake research. >> We want to get the federal bank. Well, the question is, what happens to the research that's being conducted in the meantime. And I'm not I'm not arguing with you with that. That is the question at hand is which is not addressed wrong? Well, again, if this is being changed to cover a situation that doesn't exist anymore than obviously that will be MOOC on that. Assumptions remain that's that's correct, until somebody decides to remove it as a vestigial remnant of a past epoch yes. >> Purpose and bring this forward. >> We're going to be highly transparent is these matters come forward, come forward. And it seems to me that it's appropriate given the circumstances, unfortunate circumstance. We're in the Plato venture. Chance, make sure that there's, during what occurred to me. >> I absolutely agree with you that we should not change the stipulation of principal yeah. >> Encountering the parties is affecting the grants that have come up that fall would be affected by. >> This is a pretty widespread as with its length, there's no definition of the limit that we say, oh yeah, probably affects everybody, every department in engineering, in engineering. >> And probably within four to five most do something store these clauses have been put on on on proposals that traditionally would not have these bloated with just a blank yes. >> Response to throw the governments change in policy is that, you know, there's a big effort to get them to understand what they've done because they didn't really appreciate what they did. But it's pretty big. >> Courtyard. >> Were faculty member TO frontier. >> And the reason for the question is some of my colleagues were concerned about this and suggested that if it's happening just in one apartment or one center that maybe the and communication could be covering that ones that fast, reasonably pretty broad count. >> I give him the amount of concern being expressed to me. >> I'd like to ask the first problems that you could tell us of approving this for specified limited amount of time or for reconsideration a later period might be advantageous. >> So does that require an amendment or does that just require or is that just like a friendly question to the province as to whether this might be acceptable and impressive advantageous in negotiations in the future. If they said the proof of this As of ocean. >> Yeah, I would, I would be comfortable if the Senate disposed to accrue this at this time with an expectation that it be comeback for reconsideration within and I'll stipulate this just because of our schedules from Senate smell things within a year of my reasoning for that is I'm not sure if that if we can get changes Washington that would do this, that it would all take place within the faculty senate meeting schedule my next May. >> And this would give us the following year and concern my sense of this as an amendment to this. >> Ok. So the amendment would be to reconsider the proposing three into years. To bring it back to the Senate to confirm or disconfirm set up. Is that a an amendment? Whoa, is that friendly? Yeah. Rules has to accept that as a friendly amendment. >> Said desert rather than OK. >> And so now do we don't have to vote on that then, right. Because that's been accepted by the by the motion or alright. So now that just becomes part of the part of the motion. >> Any other discussion on flow question? >> The vote is to grant this capacity. Changing the faculty handbook, you specify situations when the provost may approve a faculty member to engage in external, an unclassified externally funded research with limits on publication, with the stipulation that this will be re-examined by the Senate in two years. >> Any further discussion on favor? >> Please raise your cards. >> All post please. >> Ration cards. Okay. Motion passes. >> Okay. Now, as far as the last item for discussion is concerned, let me just make some comments about the discussion works at the faculty senate. Just to be clear, first of all, I'm just gonna make a few framing remarks and open up the floor for discussion. The resonance like propose probe, proposed program has been posted on the web. We're going to let Matt Robinson fielded questions and, and address the issues. Make a few comments and then we'll open up the floor to discussion. Matt will first make a few comments and then we'll open up the floor to discussion. I want to emphasize that I know that there's a lot of rhetoric and hyperbole about the program. I read the newspapers to. What I can emphasizes is that there are a lot of very, and that's really different things about the new proposal. >> Whether or not they satisfy everybody's another issue, those things will be discussed and of course with significant as if there is new and significant and substantial oversight at every level that that wasn't before. Also, let me just emphasize as far as the discussion is concerned, general policy rules, Senate Robert's Rules of Order stipulate nobody speaks twice unless everybody has had a chance. >> Who wants to to speak wants. >> And also we want to make sure that the discussion doesn't degenerate into a shouting match. Try to keep it civil. >> And also, you know, the idea is that the comments I think should be directed towards the document. >> Now keep in mind, I know that as, as a professional, I'm a textualists. >> So to me it always comes down to what does the document actually say. So again, this is what we're considering here as a document. So again, what I want to know is what's in the document that doesn't belong there. What's not in the document that does belong there? I think that's the kind of discussion we want to try to entertain here. But with that in mind that I'd like to bring that down, he's going to say a few words and then we'll open up the floor for discussion. >> I was at First of all, I'd like to say thank you for the recognition was not expected. >> And actually like I feel kind of guilty because on the way over, I dropped off an invoice my billable hours at the senate office. Second thing before I started, like to commend the students were taking the initiative to come out in the Utilize your First Amendment rights. And I recognized her and again a command and applaud you for taking advantage of the different institutional resources in vehicles that had been available for you to communicate your views this time? >> Last year was not Chair of the Senate Committee. >> And to be honest with you, I'm not sure if I've could have name the residence halls on the university campus. >> And over the past six months, I've learned a great deal about the residence hall, the students like the overall student life division through the process of reviewing the past program, in reviewing the Spring program that was approved for this spring, as well as a program that's up for endorsement today by this body. I also learned a great deal through the interaction with the students, the student life division professionals who served on our servers and our committee, but also communicating with others over the course of the year. The program that's been posted on the web for your review, it's been there and, and, and hopefully have the opportunity to view it. >> But there's several points that I would like to bring up into gallon, touch on a couple of them, but I want to re-emphasize those for you. >> First and foremost, the program that is being put forward as voluntary, there's an activity that's going on within the residence hall that AS students does not feel like participating in, they do not have to. >> So again, voluntary, I think is a very important component of this of the program. >> Secondly, it will be administered by trained faculty and professionals. >> They will lead the programs. >> The role the RA is to facilitate identifying potential speakers if there's an event, whether within the dorm complex or one campus. The role the RA is to encourage students to attend, informed them that those opportunities are available. >> Third, there will be the assessment and oversight. >> And in our recommendations and our observations on the path program, we felt that there wasn't faculty input. >> There was faculty input and development of this program. >> Again, the React community was created and we met through the month of January and February to gain that faculty input. Several components of the new program were direct recommendations from faculty members as far as the program is concerned. Also during the course of the program of the course the year, there'll be an independent assessment conducted by the office of educational assessment. >> So that will be implement the program will start in the fall, but they will be assessed by that by that division. And also Michael Gilbert, Vice President of Student Life. >> He's going to communicate to incoming students about the voluntary nature of the program. And students will be encouraged to communicate any concerns they had in regards to the implementation of the program. >> And third component of that is the student life. >> Oh, I should also say that the faculty and staff are also encouraged to communicate their concerns about the program as well if they arise in terms of the implementation of it. I know there are members of the faculty that who have concerns about the implementation and I asked them to utilize the internal mechanisms to address those issues. I will return as a chair that other student life Committee. >> At 1, I wasn't sure if I was going to based on other commitments, but I feel that I've been a part of this process and I don't think women right to leave without leaving before the implementation process was done. My doors open, my email is open, and I think Michael Gilbert has communicated to me, and if not to the public, that his doors open as well to hear any concerns about the program during its implementation. >> And and I'd like to say in terms of there's been a lot of comments and statements made about the past program that was discontinued by the university. Feel this program that you're reviewing is much more like the Spring program is being implemented currently. As of now, we haven't had any concerns expressed to us. And matter of fact, I've I've been respected the Residence Life staff that they communicated to our committee about one addition to that program that they wanted to add. And we looked at and felt that it was appropriate and we agreed to that. And we hope we had that open lines of communication with the Residence Life staff next semester. >> And one last point. >> I know that was brought up in a receive the pamphlet walking in in terms of the content of the program, sustainability is defined as addressing environmental issues. >> Provost Richard mentioned that in terms of sustainability initiatives here on campus, and that applies to the resonance like program that education programs or information being provided about sustainability is what they're focusing upon. In my mind, that is your Hey, turn off the shower and flick off the light and making students conscious of saving, saving energy. >> Now with that being said, there's individual components of the programs that I'd happy to be happy to take questions with. >> But a closing comments I would just like to say is that, you know, through this process, as I mentioned, I didn't know much, much about Residence Life last year, and I was very fortunate to have that two incredible professionals in my mind, Maryland prime and Catherine Goldman for students like Division who sat on our committee and provided guidance. >> And throughout that process, I consistently Sol in their comments, their recommendations and remarks where the interest of our student body and making suggestions as we move forward with the drafts and document. So I appreciate their their their their their efforts unless I just want to say that one of the points you bring up is how impressed I was by the students. I see KC, the president of our student government association. She was very involved in the process. >> And I get excited about the future knowing their students like that, they're gonna be leading our society. So it's just an incredible input by, by students at number of levels. >> And lastly, in in my role as the chair and looking at the program past, present, future, I tried to represent your interested faculty and tried to act in your concerns and people to those it email me, communicated with me. And I also kept in mind the students in terms of their interests and their needs, as well as their personal rights. But lastly, I'm a father of three and I looked at this program is going through and as a father, I can understand that concerns about the program that was discontinued and I used that perspective in moving forward with the new program. And I feel uncomfortable that with the up the information that's going to be provided, that the biggest thing is that if my son or daughter didn't want to go to a program, they wouldn't have to. But if they're looking for an opportunity to enhance their college experience, the opportunity is there. So those were the respect is I came up with in fulfilling my rule. I've sort of did a senator and had sat in here and voted on courses and voted on programs for approval. >> And as Alan mentioned, vote a vote on the program, not the implementation and the endorsement vote today is on the plant. >> If there is a disconnect between the program that's presented to you in the implementation. We hope that is communicated to the administration of the university. And I know that those may view this program with skepticism and distrust. Michael Gilbert had communicated to me that his Residence Life staff has to earn back the trust, the university community. He also is communicated to me that what was done last year is not acceptable. And the trust can be earned back by leadership presence, like by doing what they say in his program. >> Michael Gilbert has been most cooperative and has acted on on all of our committee's recommendations and even offered some suggestions. Won't want beyond what we had suggested. >> And, you know, I've I've often joked with Michael that he walked into such a bad situation, but but I think it was a it was a good thing because Michael Gilbert demonstrated to me that he's a, he's a fine edition to this university. And he wanted to work with the students, is willing to work with faculty to make us a better university. So in closing, I just want to say that our committee has put a lot of time into this and the word that I receive a completely appreciated but unexpected, but I really think it's the committee that put the time and effort into doing this and hopefully we can move forward in a positive way in terms of the Residence Life program and all of you with request. >> Okay. >> Let me just say it for it was afforded questions. >> I just want to emphasize to the plan that's being voted on in the boat that's being taken is not that this is carved in stone. >> Part of the process is, as Matt pointed out, the oversight and the assessment and the revision that's involved and will be continually looked at if again, if there's a disconnect between the program and the implementation, if that's pointed out, it will be dealt with. >> I mean, obviously, you know, we have courses that are approved for multicultural courses were not people actually teach them? It's hard to, to police how they actually teach them. So there too, there could be a disconnect between policy and implementation. >> But when those things come up, we're expecting that faculty will make that clear, where people will make their clear, and then those issues will be addressed within the system. >> Other questions open up the floor for discussion is how events, just like, you know, these are questions that are all pretty much reformats Arnold, because it seems to me that there's two really important things missing from the program plan. And as we receive that message though, is one thing. I think when you have written a very clear written definition of sustainability so that we can see that it is just turning office hours and that is not going to find political agenda. The resonance line with pushing OK. And the second thing, I think we need winter and the explanation for how students, how students are going to be encouraged not to feel any pressure at all. And I think in the history of this, it's not going to say it's voluntary. I think Lydia developed plan where students are going to not be pressure here. Pressure in terms that are a pressure. I think that in writing in this document at some length, okay. >> Just to address the one that I would agree that clarify that definition. Sustainability, what would be addressed? Or the second is, and I'm sorry I skipped over this in my comments, but Michael Gilbert will get communicate via letter to the incoming freshman that this is a voluntary program. And I think it'll be communicated through well that the students, again, if they don't want to go, they don't have to go. >> And and I think also in terms of Michael and spoke with talked in terms of speaking to the RA the entire staff of communicating, again, the voluntary nature of programs. >> And I should also point out that if anybody becomes aware of any pressure that should be communicated to the rest of its life. >> Because that's nice to see that ugly in the document. That students might be encouraged if they feel any pressure their name as she delivers them to maybe napkins or maybe Michael Gerber could say that his initial letter to students who do feel pressure can be shipped are encouraged to contact Michael Goldberg. I'm sorry, I can't last night my profession other com seeking textual analysis yet this hasn't been Fox suggested that we should stick to words that are in the document and maybe some words that are not on the document. While the words that concerns me is on page five under the personal development series, the general description, that's a topic siRNAs made engaged individual students say no, don't rubric of personal essays. Topics may include the following. There's a listener, he doesn't say that it will improve those. It doesn't specify more copies, although that will also be included to me. Now that all the work will include only idioms is something enough, and certainly greatly because I'm really embarrassed of universities over last year. The question is, there are certain topics that should not be included in any interaction. That RNA stood as far as personal development series or concern rather than the phrase topics may. And I would prefer to see that being changed to topics will include only the follow-up. Then, in addition to that sentence, I believe is really embarrassed with universities number last year that it would be helpful to them. The other sentence, it will say the following topics should be excluded. >> And we know from the FERPA rules in the federal government owes the university has to be very careful and issues of privacy. >> So if there are privacy issues involving the students that are being violated during these individual symptoms. I think is the legal responsibility of the university to make sure that certainly these privacy issues should be exploited to me, topics that should be written explicitly as the ex-student from discussion wouldn't. >> The personal intimate matters such as personal sexuality and topics which are really hot-button issues in our society. >> People an extremely strong beliefs such as abortion and gay marriage, and religious beliefs or extravagant definitions of racism. I believe there are certain topics that would help our students. >> And it was spelled out not just what would be input or what for them in the defense of students privacy will in fact be x. >> Okay? >> Interesting point that you bring that up is that through the process and we had to react committee, the idea of a personal development series came from a faculty member. And it was the, the, the idea being that there were some topics like you had said that we shouldn't be going there in residence hall. >> But when you talk about a student showing up to a college campus as an 18-year-old, there's certain things that they may have that are going to help them with their college experience. >> And we left it open ended to meet the individual personal needs that an array we'll take a look at. Is there a concern from a from the students own KLM on that particular floor that they'd like to have addressed. >> So again, we're leaving it open-ended in that sense, but I think there are times and we're well aware of the topics that we want to stay away from, and it's duly noted if you want to have those included to say that we won't be touching on those topics. >> And by the way, one of the problems with going that route is that then you come up with a long list, perhaps an endlessly proliferating list of everything. >> You don't want to talk about MIT betters, you specify the topics will be either chosen by students for chosen from among these categories on these topics only or something like that. >> But you do run into a bit of a, of an infinite regress when you start trying to specify everything, you don't want to be in the document at 46 pages for the document is already my Gioia. >> When you start specifying everything that shouldn't be in it, it could probably be twice, I think incrementally, it wouldn't take long. >> Had a line of about five or six times. >> There's a question about like you, and I think that having programs which are highly drinking. Anything else? Bring plan superhero, right. Beyond that, it is care based. Israel, I believe, you know, they're all very good, very good points in terms of sustainability with residents live for next year. >> It deal with the environment. >> The second, the third. I'm sorry, I wasn't familiar with the hip or the program. >> But the third is that we want the student input. And I think that's maybe was lacking previously. And Dr. Gilbert has talked in terms of student committee or just general feedback. And again, there's and if that assessment that goes on for the students to fill out and were looking for their feedback. And again, my view of the program and our committee view of the program was meeting student needs. And the best way to get funding as student needs is communicating with them. And I apologize if we didn't give enough notice for that meeting. >> We did hold the form in the fall. >> And and actually, it was it was a suggestion of Michael Gilbert to hold that meeting when we had a delay from the April meeting until May meeting to see if we can just do one more follow-up and get student feedback. And we want through the Student Government Association, figuring that we had representation there, but we'll duly note that and again, serving as chair next year, we would like to see that student feedback as members of our committee. >> But if we need more, we will we will take those steps. >> If you find out it's not can you please let us know? But it next year, if you're made aware it, please let us know. >> You know, I have a couple of inserting. >> One is I, I'd like to know what the overlap between these many of these programs are and the, and the first year experience course is, I mean, I see things like study habits and career opportunities and stuff that I thoughts or be covered. >> And I know they are in some artifacts and colleges first-year experience. So I guess it is, why are we doing it both? >> Can I, can I trust that one thing I needed when I said, I mentioned before, this thing is not counted stone and so on, so forth. >> One other thing to consider is there's a FY e For those who didn't come halfway. >> Pilot program that's going on right now, that the kind of work out a standard kinda FIT curriculum and so on so forth. >> And of course, when that pilot is completed and there'll be have to be a whole set of discussions again as to how to integrate IF YE Andy Residence Life program. I mean, those questions need to be worked out. >> This is not yet clear how FY eastern sort itself out, But we are going to have a look at this again once that's complete, because obviously there has to be some coordination between FY, resonance. >> But currently we have all students >> Fy. >> So why are we then lumping kind of duplicate stuff? Because you're saying, well, when there are you seeing students wouldn't benefit from the opportunity to have another study session or something. Well, I guess that that raises my second is as much live services be paying two and so on. >> Why doesn't it say right on the top at the front page, this is an optional Residence Life program. >> Why is a burglary or three or four pages back in the document. I mean, the name of the report programs like program I mean, it is optional if you're saying that we would like to see that spelled out. >> Well, the third line is the 20082009 program plan. Why couldn't it be the 20082009 optional program plan or program playing an optional for students or something that makes empirically didn't mean to do that, that do this, do I? I'm very concerned about this pressure and students would feel in the and, and, and I, I, I make this comment as a parent because I've been to students, two daughters in the residence halls who both report to me, tell me that they felt bearing pressure, something like ten these various sessions. So say in it and make it happen are really two different things. >> I of course think what you're talking about there. >> Choose the disjunct between planning and implementation. >> And again, we can say is that if there's a problem with implementation, I should definitely look. >> Yeah, you gotta realize that peer pressure, some of this can be very difficult to eliminate. >> Now there's wasn't pure brush, this was, this was RA pressure. >> Well, there's nothing that you are a fresher, But if there can be peer pressure, that song is very difficult to, you know, who's kinda interesting. >> I've heard this said the, when we did the student forum back in the fall that I believe as an RA you'd mentioned that you put all this time and effort into say, bringing a speaker in or running a program. And, you know, we bring Dr. Fox in and only two people show up and they feel, geez, I've token this effort, taking this effort. Now going back to the point that was made earlier though, you know, it's one thing to try. >> Depression had brought a professor, would you mind coming down as opposed to a very sensitive topic being, being presented and then being pressured, feeling pressured to go to that. >> And then a particular view, ME being promoted over another, you know, I think there's an issue there. But again, the idea of trying to have programs that are going to meet students needs that hopefully there does need to be pressure is gonna be the case that yeah, this is interesting, this is, this could be helpful. And then I think the other thing is putting on is that with the RAs, again, the RAs will not be doing the programs. >> So it's about them. >> Directing them to the right resources is not always just a program. It may just be an RA, saying, you know, we have there's a speaker on campus or there was an office on campus that, that can provide you with the information that you need. >> Puzzle was you speak of natural resource. Natural resource page two at the program Never mention mentioned exploring persons feel valued, faint, marking myself, history, background, cultural effect, one's perspective, understand a poem. >> Others concepts like justice program, well, you know, it's funny, Jon. >> You know, I think that you can look at this document from a number of different perspectives. >> And when I look at that, recognize how history, background, culture affects one's perspectives of being a first-generation college kids. >> I went off to school and as at his roommate, someone that parents had well in college and fraudulent, more fluent than I was. You know what? There's different backgrounds there and they've learned to appreciate one another. If you want to get into talking in terms of, again, the concepts of justice. My concept of justice is when someone out when I did early bus trips at 630 and a guy who's ready one at three o'clock was for me to key into his room, dump a bucket of water on when I got up at 06:00 AM at 18. >> That was my concept of justice. >> This is not about actual results, about what is it about students concepts of justice, what their values, attitudes? >> And on the first page, the goal of the program is to affect people's thoughts, values, beliefs, and ash is not simply protecting, well, that's only one component that sustainability is about the environment. >> The other parts about trying to live with people for the next, the next 6-9 months, whatever may be in a resonance. All I mean, being a good citizen is recognizing the rights of somebody else. I think being a good citizen is understanding that different people have different views on, on different things and respecting those things. >> I'm thankful to yon for point for this list on page two because when I was looking at programs are very, couldn't really see anything has to do with issues of social justice. I think it's fine to have students discuss social justice in the dorms, as long as these are voluntary programs. I remember going to educational programs in dorms that I learn things from. I've participated in dorm programs as a fat. I never I think they're an important part of the educational experience. I take it back, we said that social justice is a heavily liberal notion. I think conservatives have an idea of what is social justice. >> Liberals have a different idea of what are some of justice. >> But there are many ideas of social justice and it certainly won't harm students or what they might be. I tried to find points in the programs that are tied to that list on page two. And the only things I put five under personal development series, the thing in those boxes on page three under personal development series, there, there is in the list transition, that is transition from home to college. So that may well involve learning how to transition from a relatively, his personal grows up through relatively heterogeneous in close partners community. So learning bots didn't differences. That makes sense there as our transition to the university. Conflict resolution. Conflicts may arise within the dormitories over somebody's call hot-button issues. I strongly disagree with my colleague who said we should list forbidden topics. I don't think the university should be in the business of sensory programs. That students might want to participate in some sort of voluntary discussion. As long as it's truly voluntary. I think that was the students were feeling brainwash. If it's a voluntary program, people wanna go and discuss competing notions of social justice. Ready? I think it's wonderful. As for the program of sending Sue self, rather there is a separate topics and it's on page three of this service projects club. So for people in the world, strikes me as a service rather than as an educational program for justice. And that's covered here is book drives, food drives, volunteer and other funder is and I think that's not listen to me complaining about those sorts of project casing. I would just reiterate from the student perspective that the two things that I was most I guess aware of when I was serving on the React committee, I was that all of the programs knew through voluntary in nature that students will be able to make their own decision about attending the program or not attending the program. And also the faculty you would be solicited about certain topics on that RAs would not be conducting all of the conversations, especially if they were about issues where an RA might take a position. And I so I feel that this document date convey those aspects that is voluntary in nature. And that there will be solicitation and faculty members to talk about the issues that are really the hot-button topics. And I do think that there is a question about the implementation and that obviously this program is vitally needed to be reflected upon after it's implemented and reviewed constantly. But technically speaking, Senator part to be called I understand. >> Desk because he colon somebody kind of out of turn other other Senators who want to keep them. >> Or we only have 15 minutes more before we can discuss this. >> Beautiful. >> We have to put wounds to other other Senators who hadn't spoken. >> You to want to speak? Well, she's just she's big and well, nobody nobody else raise their hands. >> So maybe I can do it. >> If it's it's not that we're just like the race issue that I've heard a number of questions here that made me wonder whether everything that's going on here should be under the auspices of the universe to go fishing. >> These things may all be very willing. >> I'm not sure if they should be a function of officials of the Universe ago in terms of the, the, the programs, in terms of the topics that we're talking about that for discussion students shapes are clickable things we did at responds pleasantly. I don't think anybody objects to justice for students discussing, just as I think the problem is Yes. Augustus under the guidance of precedence like Residence, Life, recent history. And secondly, Alan noted that it's almost impossible to P, Now here, pressure now. If it can't the pressure now, then I don't see why students can't be left to discuss these issues, which they're excited about and we'll discuss on their own without guidance anyway, if, if there's a way of getting around peer pressure, if a weight can be shown that I think it needs to be written in the program. I think it's not enough to say however many times you say it. Voluntary. >> Alright? >> You know, everyone of these programs number what we think is going to be the courses that they've learned in the classroom. >> There's many aspects of life that kind of mu, then this horse. >> As if to the extent that these learning theories are important to that, the programs are simply mentioned to help students much too high. There was something beyond what they've learned in the classroom, I think is the duty of a universe who claims to be universally brilliant events as well. As it turns, I don't see any problem with the photos. That's also by the way, as I call people I've been asked to, I forgotten several times. >> You need to identify yourself as before you speak is not bloods are not actually part of the Florida as spoken. >> Sorry. >> I'm Steve Martin's communication. >> I want to ride on my comments, comments. >> I'd be teaching in the communication department now for five or six years. >> And the sense that I get many students coming to this university is that they are in a transition from a child mentality to an adult reality. They need other ways of looking at failure. >> They need other ways of looking at success and what might have been handed to them. >> And I think that there's a lot of programs that can go on in the university. They can give them options to look at the way they want to conduct their lives and the way they want to enter into adulthood. >> I saw some very interesting prospects in the document here. >> I'm interested in where you're going to get people to come in and do some of these personal development things. >> And what sort of credentials are going to have. >> I'm assuming those mechanisms in place, checking and bedding and things like that. >> I think the students, the guidance beyond just the content of their specific majors and the courses that they take. >> And I think that this is one of the things that the university has done well in the path. And then we can still do well, you know, see if there's, you know, again, the idea that there's student life division is more the Residence Life. And there's incredible professionals over there that they're available to do those programs and and trained to qualify to do this programs for some of the other topics. I think its call to us as faculty members and take that opportunity and to meet students outside the classroom and interact with them. I think it adds, adds to the experience for us, and I think it adds to the experience. >> Students let it I'm puzzled about what the program is actually about. And there's the sands. Well, it's presented has just 1 third of what residents dies. A lot of the things that are listed have seemed to be traditional. I'm not sure what and I don't know what the learning outcomes are. I'm not sure what the proposal thanks that students who need that, they need to learn. They're gonna be learning outcomes. There's something, don't you think they need to learn? What is it? And we're talking about opportunities to get dialogue. See why she brought into the residence hall, send them out to the university. We have this february learning app, volunteering opportunities. I don't why stifles initially student government. And that's the message I heard from students who attend. As Michael said, why new step in our territory and doing things? You should be encouraging us to go out and organize things. People come to our debate. My hair's himself. What is it that this program is intended to remediate? Weren't each residence hall directors organizing things we always dreamed. I think it's important that we, as an institution, we should hear this. Faculty are broad, renewed over rows lie to beat THE i'm not, I just don't know what to do. And nothing inherently as explains to me, there's a lot of things I'd like to learn that how you see students that mature them is that the education that we're learning outcomes testing. I just totally confused about what is it that when I add something, I think it's unfair to Pr of bringing slippage implementation onto this is totally, they won't know what's slippage. Hey, we'll go faster. Not to, it's too much. We saw that with the last row. So you cannot skip right to sue because you have three speeches. You don't want to eat it. So we don't have to worry about restraining the RAs are retrain them. So I'm like I don't know what this is intended to do. Yeah. Yeah. >> One of the ironies of this is that while we say we want to have students become, become mature, the programming in fact competes with suitable organizations for activities. >> It's perfectly possible to have discussions about just about anything with you privately. Why do me administration Through August, come in and set up and especially with the track record saying people running in the same month to go grab back in Nepal the drag, how many you want to copy see whipping them biases. >> And it's the same old political indoctrination. >> And that's going to have well, I don't know, JC. I'll just respond briefly. I've also been concerned, I mean, I've heard several student leaders communicate that there may be a territorialism SUV and others competition and programming. Why have residence life doing this? We're trying to achieve the same ball. And I've come to realize that there's a huge opportunity there for student leaders to work and Residence Life vise versa, to work together because all the students live on campus. And if there was a program where in fact the student organizations we're working with residents live. It's more of a collaboration that I'm sort of in favor of. And I think that's where you can reconcile this conflict. It's working together for these programs as opposed to separate. And I think that this document doesn't eliminate that opportunity, but it does Jimmy data P2 there, there we have about four minutes left. >> Went out. >> But that's if there are other faculty who don't want to speak because I don't want to shut down. Obviously meant that we're going to hear what you're saying. >> I just don't wanna shutdown faculty discussion, you just bring it back. >> We still have things to say that's come back next month. >> Well, that's fine. >> That's fine. >> Jacob. >> Jacob, like could you please reboot College, School of Education. I, I, I, I did a sustainable digits. >> If it's what do you say? >> I trust you shouldn't use that term because it gets polluted. It's become a positively charged her. Evidently, people in Residence Life, we're reusing a growth rate. That's when it leaves. It's politically charged. >> No one's mentioned there. >> So I was wondering if I raise this question early in the process, what happens if you bring us program onto the last day of class? I, before I do so, I, I, I can theory's kind of resent being put in this late in the day and say where's there's areas if you want. >> I've said it to rubber stamp what's, what's reject this choice. >> And if you use C, but fundamentally, fundamentally, two meals to much of what we had before other guys lesson would be committee except as a friendly motion to insert the word Environmental between the words related and the words sustainability. So that under that category program and one of the boxes, sometimes with the middle column description, a campus wide program faculty, which will provide students the opportunity to learn about different perspectives and insights related to environmental sustainability. >> I'd like to just interrupted proceedings for just a moment, but if we can stay later than FiveThirtyEight Senate practice or we need to take a vote in order to do that. >> Is that what do I, your emotion? >> Can I do it that way? Has ever carried well. >> We should get it because it's practice, not always. >> We should get a sense of the sentence. >> So let's see a show of hands, just teaching you the discussion or whether we want, because that will be also kind of be a suspension precedence of like see a show of hands to continue discussion. All in favor, please raise the car. >> All pose, please. >> Cars. >> Well, that means we have to come back next week or so. And I guess we could call discussion to an end it and find it especially hard for me to do before.
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